Re: General Resolution: Declassification of debian-private list archives

2005-12-01 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It's not the mailing list policy part, it's the mandated delegation by > the DPL. I suppose a GR can create a declassification team, but a GR > cannot force the DPL to create one by delegation. Well, a GR cannot force anybody to do anything, due to 2.1

Re: General Resolution: Declassification of debian-private list archives

2005-12-01 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If I read the constitution correctly, you cannot decide such a thing > by GR. Could you give us your reasoning why this isn't "Issuing, superseding and withdrawing nontechnical policy documents and statements"? In my opinion mailing list usage rules are

Re: GR Proposal 2: Declassification of -private

2005-11-21 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I fully agree with Monroe - WHEN an author writes to > -private, s/he declares his wishes to expect this information to be kept > confidential and in some countries s/he may have even guaranteed rights. The proposal guarantees that if an author wishes his

Re: GR Proposal 3: Declassification of -private - Future content only

2005-11-18 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Daniel Ruoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Just to formalize what I've already said... > > I think this should be considered for future -private content even if > the GR Proposal 2 (which I second) is rejected, considering one argument > against it is

Re: GR Proposal 2: Declassification of -private

2005-11-18 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anthony Towns writes: > Okay, incorporating Manoj's proposed changes, and some other ideas: > > On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 12:08:15PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: >> One of the issues Debian often stands for is transparency and openness >> -- indeed, the

Re: Question for candidate Towns

2005-03-04 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Anthony Towns writes: > resolves the complaints about NEW and hence I don't think that the NEW > issue is an example of a communication problem at all. This is getting slightly too detailed discussion for a DPL, but anyway: what do you think the NEW issue is an example of? -- * Sufficiently adv

Re: No Reply-To header; was: Re: Second Call for votes: ...

2004-06-29 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Piotr Roszatycki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ah, sorry. I think the ballout should have Reply-To in header, so I > could just do the reply in my mailer. But it does have a valid Reply-To. -- * Sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology (T.P) * * PGP public key

Re: Final call for votes for future handling of the non free section GR

2004-03-21 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Funny! The very mail you replied to contained a traditional (i. e. > plain ASCII, no MIME) GPG signature which I could successfully verify > using the Debian keyring. Stupid of me. Of course Gnus "t" command does not show the full raw message text, only al

Re: Final call for votes for future handling of the non free section GR

2004-03-21 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Funny! The very mail you replied to contained a traditional (i. e. > plain ASCII, no MIME) GPG signature which I could successfully verify > using the Debian keyring. Stupid of me. Of course Gnus "t" command does not show the full raw message text, only al

Re: Final call for votes for future handling of the non free section GR

2004-03-21 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'd really like to give my vote (it's my first one as DD), but I am > having technical problems. I sent several voting mails, all signed just > as this one, but got only an error reply stating that: Umm, your message to debian-vote was NOT signed. At leas

Re: Final call for votes for future handling of the non free section GR

2004-03-21 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'd really like to give my vote (it's my first one as DD), but I am > having technical problems. I sent several voting mails, all signed just > as this one, but got only an error reply stating that: Umm, your message to debian-vote was NOT signed. At leas

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-04 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Helen Faulkner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > People who haven't already, could learn from reading: > http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/index.html > especially the section about the problems women face in approaching > linux communities. For those of us who read that H

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-04 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Helen Faulkner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > People who haven't already, could learn from reading: > http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/index.html > especially the section about the problems women face in approaching > linux communities. For those of us who read that H

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-03 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Helen Faulkner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > website, possibly? I also think that all debian people could bear in > mind that when a woman is interacting with you, it's likely that she's > nervous about doing so. That's not your fault, but it's helpful if > you are sensitive to the possibility,

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-03 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Helen Faulkner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > website, possibly? I also think that all debian people could bear in > mind that when a woman is interacting with you, it's likely that she's > nervous about doing so. That's not your fault, but it's helpful if > you are sensitive to the possibility,

Re: GR: Removal of non-free

2004-01-03 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is this situation likely to change if even free software projects like > Debian don't support the free software Java systems? (Assuming that > you meant only the non-free JVMs are complete enough. Being commercial > is not the same as being non-free.) Blackdown

Re: GR: Removal of non-free

2004-01-03 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > when it could be done by non-DDs. Basically, the issue is why waste > any DD hours and project facilities on maintaining non-Debian things > when you can spend all that on Debian? What if those DDs _want_ to spend time working on non-free (and contrib)? I for o

Re: GR: Removal of non-free

2004-01-03 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is this situation likely to change if even free software projects like > Debian don't support the free software Java systems? (Assuming that > you meant only the non-free JVMs are complete enough. Being commercial > is not the same as being non-free.) Blackdown

Re: GR: Removal of non-free

2004-01-03 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > when it could be done by non-DDs. Basically, the issue is why waste > any DD hours and project facilities on maintaining non-Debian things > when you can spend all that on Debian? What if those DDs _want_ to spend time working on non-free (and contrib)? I for o

Re: The "Free" vs. "Non-Free" issue

2004-01-02 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > helping to prevent the problems from being solved? Already, someone > has mentioned some Java packages that I think could be in Debian but > aren't. Is that because contrib is an easy enough home for them? If Concerning base Java software (Ant, servlet containe

Re: GR: Removal of non-free

2004-01-02 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
[I think it is best to involve the people who actually know about the status and not take my word for it - I'm probably wrong.] MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I thought there were some Java systems which could go in Debian now. > Is that correct? If so, why aren't those things you named in

Re: The "Free" vs. "Non-Free" issue

2004-01-02 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > helping to prevent the problems from being solved? Already, someone > has mentioned some Java packages that I think could be in Debian but > aren't. Is that because contrib is an easy enough home for them? If Concerning base Java software (Ant, servlet containe

Re: GR: Removal of non-free

2004-01-02 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
[I think it is best to involve the people who actually know about the status and not take my word for it - I'm probably wrong.] MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I thought there were some Java systems which could go in Debian now. > Is that correct? If so, why aren't those things you named in

Re: GR: Removal of non-free

2004-01-01 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Anthony Towns writes: > Well, the right answers aren't obvious to me; but if no one else cares, > I'm all for dropping contrib too. That's certainly the least work. At the moment that is not a good answer in my opinion, as it would mean losing much of the current Java support. Ant, Eclipse, Jetty

Re: GR: Removal of non-free

2004-01-01 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, the right answers aren't obvious to me; but if no one else cares, > I'm all for dropping contrib too. That's certainly the least work. At the moment that is not a good answer in my opinion, as it would mean losing much of the current Java support.

Re: GR: Removal of non-free

2003-12-27 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Read the proposed resolution carefully, and note the tenses in > particular. It's carefully written so as not to conflict with the > social contract (as currently written); the practical implications are > just modified in the presence of clause 5. "Up

Re: GR: Removal of non-free

2003-12-27 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Read the proposed resolution carefully, and note the tenses in > particular. It's carefully written so as not to conflict with the > social contract (as currently written); the practical implications are > just modified in the presence of clause 5. "Up

Re: GR: Removal of non-free

2003-12-25 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Dec 25, 2003 at 06:40:47PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: >> This resolution violates the social contract > And that's simply false. Not that it matters (there is no rule that > says GRs are required to comply with the social contract). To state t

Re: GR: Removal of non-free

2003-12-25 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Dec 25, 2003 at 06:40:47PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: >> This resolution violates the social contract > And that's simply false. Not that it matters (there is no rule that > says GRs are required to comply with the social contract). To state t

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