Re: call for seconds: on firmware

2008-11-18 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-11-18 14:47]: > On Tue, Nov 18 2008, Martin Wuertele wrote: > > > * Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-11-17 19:31]: > > > >> (Quote attribution elided on purpose.) > >> > Stop your FUD. > &g

Re: call for seconds: on firmware

2008-11-18 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-11-17 19:31]: > (Quote attribution elided on purpose.) > > Stop your FUD. > > > > The Release Team isn't violating the Social Contract. > > It is my opinion that releasing lenny with known DFSG violations is a > violation of the Social Contract, on the

Re: Possible amendment for Debian Contributors concept

2008-10-28 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-10-28 15:01]: > What does it change? Are we going to rely on people being busy to block > a decision that we disagree with? That's ... interesting. It's interesting that someone get's no stoned for suggesting changes while in the past it would've been im

Re: Possible amendment for Debian Contributors concept

2008-10-28 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-10-28 14:03]: > This is very different from saying that nothing will happen because the > decision is on hold under 4.2.2.2. If Joerg suddenly got a lot of free > time, he could implement all the changes quickly and start giving DME/DC > statuses to peopl

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar "Gay Nigger Association of America")

2007-05-11 Thread Martin Wuertele
Hi Sven! * Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-05-11 10:38]: > Possibly, but can you point out the little problem here ? I guess we > have two problems : > > - the original problem between frans and me. > > - the 'email flood' problem. Currently I only see one problem: you. Martin, anno

withdrawal of my proposal [was: Policy (re)delegation]

2006-11-01 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-11-01 19:44]: > With this mail I'm formally delegating Debian's policy maintenance to the > following group: > > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Andreas

Re: Proposal to delay the decition of the DPL of the withdrawal of the Package Policy Committee delegation

2006-10-27 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Hubert Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-10-27 19:49]: > FWIW, you can't call an immediate vote on your proposal. Your proposal > still has the normal minimum discussion period. (Unless the DPL varies > it by a week.) > > The immediate vote that Manoj is calling is a separate ballot, to > determ

Re: Proposal to delay the decition of the DPL of the withdrawal of the Package Policy Committee delegation

2006-10-27 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-10-27 08:49]: > You are overpassing your rights as secretary, it is not for you as secretary > to call for a vote, or take any such actions, but it is only the proposer and > the seconders who can do such. As you insist - which I still think isn't necessary

Re: Proposal to delay the decition of the DPL of the withdrawal of the Package Policy Committee delegation

2006-10-27 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Anthony Towns [2006-10-27 10:27]: > I'm not sure what all this is aiming to achieve beyond being a different > attempt to effectively prevent me from exercising any DPL powers, and > to further discourage people from having any faith in our constitutional > processes. You are actually encourag

Re: Proposal to delay the decition of the DPL of the withdrawal of the Package Policy Committee delegation

2006-10-26 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-10-27 08:49]: > On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 06:10:46PM -0500, Debian Project Secretary wrote: > > Hi, > > > > As I count, this resolution to delay the decition of the DPL > > of the withdrawal of the Package Policy Committee delegation has > > receiv

Re: Proposal to delay the decition of the DPL of the withdrawal of the Package Policy Committee delegation

2006-10-25 Thread Martin Wuertele
* John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-10-25 21:55]: > You want to override a decision not because the decision is bad on its > face, but because of a *guess* as to the reason for it? > > That makes no sense. What difference does the reason make? If it's a > good decision, then let it stand

Proposal to delay the decition of the DPL of the withdrawal of the Package Policy Committee delegation

2006-10-25 Thread Martin Wuertele
I disagree with the Policy delegation decision of our DPL [1] and therefore propose a resolution as defined in section 4.2.2 of the Debian constitution to delay the decision of the Debian Project Leader keeping the Package Policy Committee as defined[2] in place until the Debian Project Leader has

Re: seconds searched for override of resolution 007 needed. (Was: [PROPOSAL] Final consensual proposal for the problematic firmware issue in the linux kernel sources.)

2006-10-15 Thread Martin Wuertele
I second the following proposal: > === START OF PROPOSAL === > Definition: For the purpose of this resolution, the "firmware" mentioned below > designates binary data included in some of the linux kernel drivers, usually > as > hex-encoded variables and whose purpose is to be loaded into a given

Re: [PROPOSAL] Final consensual proposal for the problematic firmware issue in the linux kernel sources.

2006-10-11 Thread Martin Wuertele
I second the following proposal: > === START OF PROPOSAL === > Definition: For the purpose of this resolution, the "firmware" mentioned below > designates binary data included in some of the linux kernel drivers, usually > as > hex-encoded variables and whose purpose is to be loaded into a given

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-09-20 Thread Martin Wuertele
> == BEGIN PROPOSAL = > > The Free Software movement is about enabling users to modify the works > that they use on their computer; about giving users the same > information that copyright holders and upstream developers have. As > such, a critical part

Re: Firmware & Social Contract: GR proposal

2006-09-07 Thread Martin Wuertele
Hi Steve! * Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-09-07 13:35]: > There's also something of a difference, IMHO, between dropping sourceless > firmware from the kernel with the result that some users will be unable to > install etch at all, and requiring that you not add arbitrary other non-fre

Re: Firmware & Social Contract: GR proposal

2006-09-06 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Anthony Towns [2006-09-05 09:49]: > The Debian Project resolves that: > > (a) The Social Contract shall be reverted to its original form, > as at http://www.debian.org/social_contract.1.0 > > (b) The term "software" as used in the Social Contract shall be > presumed on

Re: Proposal: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware

2006-08-23 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-08-23 00:18]: > The application of DFSG#2 to firmware and other data > > > The Debian Project recognizes that access to source code for a work of > software is very important for soft

Re: Constitutional Amendment GR: Handling assets for the project

2006-07-20 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-07-21 03:39]: > On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 08:12:54PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > > SPI and Debian are separate organisations who share some goals. Debian > > is grateful for the legal support framework offered by SPI. Debian's > > Develo

Re: Donations

2006-06-20 Thread Martin Wuertele
* MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-06-20 08:27]: > Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 15, 2006 at 07:27:08AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: [...] > > > Which countries can have no suitable organisations? > > > > I don't know, but I don't want to gamble on it not being an issue. > >