Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-12 Thread Michael Goetze
Robert Millan wrote: - Even if there's a general perception that everyone agrees not to delay Lenny at all costs, this should definitely be voted on and sanctioned. Not doing so creates a very bad precedent. You think everyone must be voted on? What exactly do you think these

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-12 Thread Michael Goetze
Robert Millan wrote: This is far from what one would expect the Secretary to do. If results are really ambigous, or flawed in any way, what he should do is cancel the vote. And I'm sure you would have been the first one to cry foul, there being, after all, no constitutional basis for the

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-12 Thread Michael Goetze
Robert Millan wrote: Take the exact wording: This result means that the Debian Lenny release can proceed as the release team has intended, with the kernel packages currently in the archive. and carefully analize this phrase. I think you are definitely over-anal-izing the situation.

Re: Purpose of the Constitution and the Foundation Documents

2009-01-09 Thread Michael Goetze
Russ Allbery wrote: In other words, if non-free is just another archive section, why do we have this whole distinction? And while we're maintaining this distinction, I think it's clear that moving something into non-free is never going to be an action people are willing to take lightly. Since,

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2009-01-05 Thread Michael Goetze
MJ Ray wrote: to reduce GRs, having another way for developers to ask a question that nearly always gets answered might help. Such as, say, writing an email to debian-de...@ldo? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

2009-01-01 Thread Michael Goetze
Hi Mike, as a fellow non-DD Debian user and advocate, I feel... Mike Bird wrote: Manoj has been a remarkably astute and unbiased delegate I would urge the DPL to re-appoint Manoj ...that you've disqualified yourself from commenting on matters concerning the Debian constitution.

Re: New section for firmware.

2008-12-23 Thread Michael Goetze
Kurt Roeckx wrote: The files in this area should not comply with the DFSG #2, #3 and #4, but should comply with the rest of the the DFSG. nitpickSo anything that complies with 1 or 2 of these points, but not all of them, may not be included in the firmware section?/nitpick s/should not/must

Re: Supermajority requirements and historical context [Was, Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR]

2008-12-22 Thread Michael Goetze
Ean Schuessler wrote: You know that was not the point of my last message. Condorcet is orthogonal to the issue. A condorcet vote is just a full run off of options against one and other conducted via a ranking. The presence of further discussion effectively provides a we should do this, we

Re: Supermajority requirements and historical context [Was, Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR]

2008-12-22 Thread Michael Goetze
Ean Schuessler wrote: The point of the super majority was to engrave the social contract in stone. From the beginning, there was a concern that financial incentives would distort the shape of the organization and we wanted a safeguard against the system being gamed by a commercial organization

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-03-31 Thread Michael Goetze
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 07:28:57PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote: Let's try using some numbers. An md5sum is 16 bytes -- 128 bits. On average, you need 2^64 samples to find a collision. So you need around 600 million samples per second to find one collision in a year (assuming you're going for

Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2003 Results

2003-03-31 Thread Michael Goetze
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 07:28:57PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote: Let's try using some numbers. An md5sum is 16 bytes -- 128 bits. On average, you need 2^64 samples to find a collision. So you need around 600 million samples per second to find one collision in a year (assuming you're going for