GFDL position statement ballot invalid

2006-02-28 Thread Oliver Elphick
the ballot is incoherent and invalid because it claims that this proposal is modifying a foundation document while not specifying how it is doing so or the actual text of the change; or the requirement of a supermajority for choice 3 is invalid. -- Oliver

Re: GFDL position statement ballot invalid

2006-02-28 Thread Oliver Elphick
On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 13:24 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Oliver Elphick olly@lfix.co.uk writes: If the Secretary's creative interpretation is allowed to stand, the proper description of what is happening can only be that this proposal adds a new foundation document. As you (and some

Re: GFDL position statement ballot invalid

2006-02-28 Thread Oliver Elphick
; they need to be clear. If choice 3 gets a majority but not by 3:1, whose view of the legalities will prevail? -- Oliver Elphick olly@lfix.co.uk Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver GPG: 1024D/A54310EA 92C8 39E7 280E 3631

Re: GFDL position statement ballot invalid

2006-02-28 Thread Oliver Elphick
of the amendment as a third foundation document. He should not produce a procedural mess such as this! -- Oliver Elphick olly@lfix.co.uk Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver GPG: 1024D/A54310EA 92C8 39E7 280E 3631 3F0E 1EC0 5664 7A2F

Re: GFDL position statement ballot invalid

2006-02-28 Thread Oliver Elphick
On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 16:35 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Oliver Elphick olly@lfix.co.uk writes: Nevertheless, no foundation document is actually being changed. Therefore either this is a new foundation document, which requires a change to the constitution, or it does not require

Re: GFDL position statement ballot invalid

2006-02-28 Thread Oliver Elphick
On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 18:36 +0100, Thomas Viehmann wrote: Hi, Oliver Elphick wrote: I object to being asked to vote on a meaningless proposal. If I vote for 3, am I voting for an amendment to DFSG, Social Contract or Constitution? Which one of those? What exactly is the text

Re: GFDL position statement ballot invalid

2006-02-28 Thread Oliver Elphick
the real world rather than the Debian parallel universe! An amendment to a document (in the real world) always implies a change of text; that is how you can tell that it has changed. -- Oliver Elphick olly@lfix.co.uk Isle of Wight

Re: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64

2004-07-14 Thread Oliver Elphick
On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 12:15, Daniel Silverstone wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Oliver Elphick wrote: | However, this GR should not have been necessary. I second it in the | hope that dropping a sledgehammer on their toes will get the ftpmasters | to learn

Re: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64

2004-07-14 Thread Oliver Elphick
On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 13:41, Andreas Barth wrote: * Oliver Elphick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040714 14:25]: It is very discourteous to ignore people. Don't your fellow developers deserve some human consideration and courtesy? Did you ever try to speak to Daniel directly? I tried it once

Re: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64

2004-07-13 Thread Oliver Elphick
for at least a month on the lists without any comment from them (that I have seen). No project can work if its key members operate like that. Communication is an essential skill. -- Oliver Elphick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http

Re: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64

2004-07-13 Thread Oliver Elphick
on their toes will get the ftpmasters to learn to communicate. -- Oliver Elphick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver GPG: 1024D/A54310EA 92C8 39E7 280E 3631 3F0E 1EC0 5664 7A2F A543 10EA

Re: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64

2004-07-13 Thread Oliver Elphick
On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 21:41, James Troup wrote: If you want to help with getting amd64 into the archive... What, in your opinion, is needed for it to go into the archive? If we know that, we can indeed help. If this is public information, please provide a URL. -- Oliver Elphick

Re: summary of software licenses in non-free

2004-01-10 Thread Oliver Elphick
your system. After installation, you will have to run build-mmix to build the binary package and install it. This doesn't sound like a package whose maintainer has been careless about copyright. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight, UK

Re: one of the many reasons why removing non-free is a dumb idea

2004-01-07 Thread Oliver Elphick
for that, smalleiffel, now smarteiffel, was an example. It went into non-free while RMS negotiated with its authors until it became the GNU Eiffel compiler (and is now in main). -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight, UK http://www.lfix.co.uk

Re: one of the many reasons why removing non-free is a dumb idea

2004-01-07 Thread Oliver Elphick
for that, smalleiffel, now smarteiffel, was an example. It went into non-free while RMS negotiated with its authors until it became the GNU Eiffel compiler (and is now in main). -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight, UK http://www.lfix.co.uk

Re: one of the many reasons why removing non-free is a dumb idea

2004-01-06 Thread Oliver Elphick
they are still around), condemning each other for slight differences of doctrine and having no effect at all on political life. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight, UK http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver GPG: 1024D/3E1D0C1C: CA12 09E0

Re: The Free vs. Non-Free issue

2004-01-05 Thread Oliver Elphick
software purity, the FSF exists for that purpose and has its own archive. Any user who doesn't like non-free can simply exclude it from his sources.list. The time to get rid of non-free is when it no longer has any maintained packages; not until then. -- Oliver Elphick

Re: The Free vs. Non-Free issue

2004-01-05 Thread Oliver Elphick
software purity, the FSF exists for that purpose and has its own archive. Any user who doesn't like non-free can simply exclude it from his sources.list. The time to get rid of non-free is when it no longer has any maintained packages; not until then. -- Oliver Elphick

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-14 Thread Oliver Elphick
On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 07:59, Sven Luther wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 07:42:32AM +0100, Oliver Elphick wrote: Devotee? I don't understand that reference. Devotee is the voting mechanism. Thanks. I was imagining something quite different! -- Oliver Elphick

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-14 Thread Oliver Elphick
it comes to reading the constitution. What you wrote is strained and unidiomatic. That is something that other non-native English speakers need to understand, lest they think it is good style and reproduce it. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight, UK

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-14 Thread Oliver Elphick
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 23:02, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:44:28 +0100, Oliver Elphick olly@lfix.co.uk said: Nevertheless, that use of shall is so strange that I had to read the sentence twice to understand it. It is not correct English. So you say. I beg

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-14 Thread Oliver Elphick
On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 07:59, Sven Luther wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 07:42:32AM +0100, Oliver Elphick wrote: Devotee? I don't understand that reference. Devotee is the voting mechanism. Thanks. I was imagining something quite different! -- Oliver Elphick

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-14 Thread Oliver Elphick
it comes to reading the constitution. What you wrote is strained and unidiomatic. That is something that other non-native English speakers need to understand, lest they think it is good style and reproduce it. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight, UK

Re: Proposed ballot for the constitutional amendment

2003-10-13 Thread Oliver Elphick
does not fit the grammatical rule you quote, because a voting mechanism is incapable of having or expressing an intention or purpose. It is just a thing, and you are merely describing how it will behave, therefore the proper word to use is will. -- Oliver Elphick

Re: Contact our Prize Department

2003-10-13 Thread Oliver Elphick
is a volunteer organisation with no money; therefore no prizes either. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight, UK http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver GPG: 1024D/3E1D0C1C: CA12 09E0 E8D5 8870 5839 932A 614D 4C34 3E1D 0C1C

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-25 Thread Oliver Elphick
: supersession. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight, UK http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver GPG: 1024D/3E1D0C1C: CA12 09E0 E8D5 8870 5839 932A 614D 4C34 3E1D 0C1C Who

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-22 Thread Oliver Elphick
). ... + 5.3 A Foundation Document requires a 3:1 supermajority for its + supercession. Spelling: supersession (and supersede) - the derivation is not the same as that of concession and concede. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight, UK

Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-10 Thread Oliver Elphick
option on the ballot to the original proposal, and as such it will require five seconds. Respectfully submitted, I second/sponsor this. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP: 1024R