Re: Question to Stefano, Steve and Luk about the organisation into packaging teams.

2009-03-24 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 09:46:31AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 08:58:34PM +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: Stefano, actually I agree with its good intention. What I actually think is that we are kidding ourselves, because we already see whats needed, but don't

Re: Question to Stefano, Steve and Luk about the organisation into packaging teams.

2009-03-24 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 01:15:00AM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: What do you think about such a proposal? I'd be quite worried about the blocking potential of such a move, actually. One of the reasons that Debian scales so well is that *most* of the work we do day-to-day does not depend on

Re: Question to Stefano, Steve and Luk about the organisation into packaging teams.

2009-03-23 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 08:42:59PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: Well, some time back I wrote some patches for coreutils. Unfortunately they are not yet integrated, but thats not the fault of the maintainer. However I think it could help if the project decides that this is a good idea

Re: Question to Stefano, Steve and Luk about the organisation into packaging teams.

2009-03-23 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
hint :-)) ] As already stated elsewhere I'm surely opening that topic somewhere with a broader audience, but its a good topic for me to see which opinions the DPL candidates act for. On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 01:43:16PM +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: Some of these packages are very well maintained

Re: Question to Stefano, Steve and Luk about the organisation into packaging teams.

2009-03-22 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:25:11AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 01:11:58PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 01:43:16PM +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: What do you think about such a proposal

Re: Question to Stefano, Steve and Luk about the organisation into packaging teams.

2009-03-21 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 01:42:11AM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 01:19:27PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Dear Stefano, Steve and Luk, Hi again Charles! I like a lot Stefano's statement about collaborative maintainance: Collaborative maintenance should not be

Re: Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-21 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 03:49:02PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: PROPOSAL START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements

Re: GR proposal: Do not require listing of copyright holders

2009-03-21 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 08:36:24PM +0200, Teemu Likonen wrote: On 2009-03-21 19:20 (+0100), Josselin Mouette wrote: If you need to understand the rationale, please read the thread on debian-devel with Sponsorship requirements and copyright files as title, especially the

Re: Question to Stefano, Steve and Luk about the organisation into packaging teams.

2009-03-21 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 01:11:58PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 01:43:16PM +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: What do you think about such a proposal? Why are you asking the DPL candidates what they think of this proposal, instead of proposing it to the developers

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

2008-12-29 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 03:52:37PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 09:47:36AM +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: Its not neccessary to interpret the DFSG in order to set majority requirements. (...) So, yes, that does require interpretation. Actually I said it does

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

2008-12-19 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 09:28:27AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: No. The constitution doesn't say that the secretary's job is to interpret the DFSG and decide if the 3:1 majority requirement applies. And the job of the secretary (contrary to the job of most delegates and debian packagers)

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

2008-12-19 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 02:32:51PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: If that is the case, why would anyone propose changing a foundation document, and risk failing to meet the 3:1 requirement, when they could simply declare that they interpret it to say what they would like it to say, and have

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

2008-12-19 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 02:24:35PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Superseding a document is easily recognizable: it's when you explicitely say that you're going to change its _content_ (ex: http://www.debian.org/vote/2004/vote_003 ). I wouldn't say that it is that easy. It

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

2008-12-15 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:17:19PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: * Why does releasing despite DFSG violations require a 3:1 majority now when it didn't for etch? It's the same secretary in both cases. What changed? I didn't find any of the explanations offered for this very

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Re: call for seconds: on firmware (was: on firmware (possible proposal))

2008-11-16 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 09:12:25PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote: I so didn't want to get into this discussion, but here goes anyway. I'm considering formally proposing this GR (option): I'm hereby proposing the following general

Re: on firmware (possible proposal)

2008-11-12 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 03:29:30PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: For example, if you want to install Debian on an NSLU, the only difficulty is finding the unofficial D-I images that include non-free firmware. And even that can be improved. They could be linked from the main website, and

Re: on firmware (possible proposal)

2008-11-12 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:14:10PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: I so didn't want to get into this discussion, but here goes anyway. I'm considering formally proposing this GR (option): | Firmware is data that is uploaded to hardware components, not designed to be | run on the host

Re: Call for seconds - DC concept (was: Possible amendment for Debian Contributors concept)

2008-10-30 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi Peter, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:01:51PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote: I really dislike the negative tone of the original proposed resolution, so I am thinking of proposing this as an alternative option. I hereby propose this alternate

Re: Call for seconds - DC concept (was: Possible amendment for Debian Contributors concept)

2008-10-30 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:01:51PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote: I really dislike the negative tone of the original proposed resolution, so I am thinking of proposing this as an alternative option. I hereby propose this alternate

Re: DAM has no competency to make changes to membership structure (was: Call for seconds: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.)

2008-10-27 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 05:13:22PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Charles Plessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.10.25.0310 +0200]: The Debian Project, by way of a general resolution of its developers, decides: The changes announced the 22nd of October on the debian-devel-announce