On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 02:29:34PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 08:47:26PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 07:10:14PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 11:41:28AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > &
On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 12:08:04PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Sven Luther writes ("Re: Proposal: GR to deal with effects of a personal
> dispute"):
> > On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 10:39:46AM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > > [stuff]
> >
> > I applaud your pr
On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 10:39:46AM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> MJ Ray writes ("Proposal: GR to deal with effects of a personal dispute"):
> > There is a lamentable personal dispute between Sven Luther and some
> > other developers. There have been some attempts at recon
On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 11:43:29AM +1000, Brian May wrote:
> >>>>> "Sven" == Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> > Do we really want to go into creating castes of DDs ?
> >>
> >> No, but it's already
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 07:10:14PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 11:41:28AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 09:47:11AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > > No, you are just a DD whose access to lists has been suspended.
> >
> &g
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 09:52:15AM +, Cord Beermann wrote:
> Hallo! Du (Sven Luther) hast geschrieben:
>
> > A sub-DD all the same, what about all those others who participated in
> > those flamewars ? It takes two you know to create the mess we are in,
> > and i ha
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 09:47:11AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > But then you are a stigmatized sub-DD, and not a DD anymore.
>
> No, you are just a DD whose access to lists has been suspended.
A sub-DD all the same, what about
IL PROTECTED]; you just have to use an
> intermediate who can send on messages on your behalf.
But then you are a stigmatized sub-DD, and not a DD anymore.
Do we really want to go into creating castes of DDs ?
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On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 07:26:03PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...]
> > The main point you are missing, that if you remove the suspension, and
> > debian claims something about the fault of the previous events to be
> > shared (whi
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 11:50:48AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
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> There is a lamentable personal dispute between Sven Luther and some
> other developers. There have been some attempts at reconciliation and
> various offers, but none
On Mon, May 28, 2007 at 01:13:55AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 06:20:33PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > I don't recognize the suspension as valid,
>
> Too bad, since apparently everyone else does (or at least if they don't,
> they aren'
On Mon, May 28, 2007 at 10:25:13AM +1000, Brian May wrote:
> >>>>> "Sven" == Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Sven> [...] It is acceptable, for security reasons, that not every
> Sven> Debian Developper has access to some of the
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 10:04:19PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-05-27 at 17:30 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > By this resolution, the Debian Project resolves that :
> >
> > = START OF THE GR text =
> > - No part of the Debian Infrastructure, is
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 06:40:31PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 05:57:54PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
> >> Hi Sven
> >>
> >> As you are suspended for one year, your proposal is not valid according to
> >&g
s.
Just look at the arm buildd mess, or any of the numerous case of
power-play over this last year.
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Developper has access to some of these ressources, but if he
request such an access, he should obtain it in a timely fashion (no less
than two weeks).
= END OF THE GR text =
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On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 09:15:34PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 07:36:57PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 10:42:13AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:51:23PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > &
On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 10:42:13AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:51:23PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > It is amazing to what step people can resort just to silence the voice
> > of their own concience and don't be reminded of their shame.
>
&
body was interested, and prefered to relaunch the hostilities in
restarting the ban.
> In the meanwhile, if this is not about an item that we are
> planning to hold a vote on, can we move this thread to some other
> mailing list, where I can safely killfile it?
This will come to a vote, don't worry.
Saddened,
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hing to let happen, which is why everyone prefers me silenced
rather than pointing the finger to what happened, and showing them their
guilt in this.
You don't like the messenge, so you shoot the messenger, right ?
Well, i believed better of humanity, i believed better of my fellow DDs,
i gue
re's a shitty thing to say.
Welcome to Debian, and the way those in power would like it to be. And
then you wonder i am having such a problem since over a year now.
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On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 01:23:50PM +1000, Brian May wrote:
> >>>>> "Sven" == Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Sven> It is easy enough, that the powers-in-debian stop to try to
> Sven> punish me for it, an,d that a real and fair
t recognize themselves in this debian you are constructing, and i
will remind this to you if you present yourself as DPL next year.
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e powerful who where involved in it, the hints of blackmail by the
d-i team, are what makes this case most probably the most shameful thing
which ever happened in debian.
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ak louder than words, i came to you at FOSDEM,
asking you your advice on my FOSDEM kernel presentation, and if i had
managed to be fair about the d-i problematic in it, and you where
arrogant and haugthy, already knowing of the new expulsion request you
had apparently discussed somewhere, while i
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:34:47PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:29:56PM +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:03:48AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > > Holger Levsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:33:38PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:32:15PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:18:33PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> > > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:10:14AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > > >
?
It is amazing to what step people can resort just to silence the voice
of their own concience and don't be reminded of their shame.
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On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:18:33PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:10:14AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > Because I would seek one that mandates listmasters banning Sven Luther
> > >from all lists, and DAMs expelling for ban-evasion. I realise that
> >
ones, in order to be fair to the other
side.
But Holger doesn't have anything valide to say, so he resort to FUD and
diffamation, if not plain agression, has he has done so often during
these events.
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On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 08:00:56PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:50:28AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:41:56AM +0200, Martin Wuertele wrote:
> > > Martin, annoyed by you turning every thread on every debian list into a
>
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:41:56AM +0200, Martin Wuertele wrote:
> Hi Sven!
>
> * Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-05-11 10:38]:
>
> > Possibly, but can you point out the little problem here ? I guess we
> > have two problems :
> >
> > -
bute to this topic ?
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On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 10:29:24AM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> * Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070511 07:47]:
> > Sometimes, a problem needs to magnified to the extreme, so that people
> > finally feel embarassed that they where unable to solve it years ago.
>
&g
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 09:18:00PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Thursday 10 May 2007, Sven Luther wrote:
> > The procedure calls for the number of supporters being reached in 15
> > days between the original call or the procedure to be dismissed. The
> > original expulsion
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 03:20:31PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
>
> [Sven Luther]
> > So, you are wrong, this is not about me, it is about debian, about its
> > fundamental unability to handle social conflicts, about some DDs who
> > sadly have achieved a situation of pow
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 01:06:09PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 15:47 +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...]
> >
> > I contacted Sven Luther dir
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 12:05:04PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 03:47:55PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...]
>
> > I contacted Sven Luther direct
gs
> that *are* signs of fundamental deficiencies in the project, but I don't
> think this is one of them.
>
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > So, you don't believe in solving the problem which is causing the noise
> > in the first place ?
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 09:49:53AM +1000, Brian May wrote:
> >>>>> "Sven" == Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Sven> This committee would then investigate the issue, try to
> Sven> talk with all parties involved, and get them
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 12:08:08PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > What do you believe is causing the noise in question ?
>
> Every time any topic comes up which comes anywhere near anything related
> to your experiences, yo
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 09:33:13AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind
> > the decision and optionally do some other stuff. I've seen no reply.
>
> >
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 03:47:55PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...]
>
> I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind
> the decision and optionally do some ot
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 12:02:06PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 11:06:04AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Thursday 10 May 2007 10:15, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > > The expulsion procedure doesn't call for a vote, so your
publicity this will bring to Debian.
If you are a man of honour, you will not publicly apologize for those
accusation of lying you have made, which are very grave accusations
indeed. But, i have very little hope that you or anyone of the other
side in this affair will ever be able to do the ho
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 06:15:37PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 06:32:41PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:45:03PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > > On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 08:21:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > &g
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 03:01:40AM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
>
> [Sven Luther]
> > So, you too, believe that what was done to me was acceptable, that
> > everything is justifiable
>
> Stop it, Sven, stop it. This thread is about Sam Hocevar and GNAA. It
> is not
care about presenting apologizes, or even recognizing
that you may have a fault in what happened.
Shame on you, such behaviour as you exhibited is what hurts debian, not
mine.
Friendly,
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On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:23:21PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 08:21 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 02:01:52AM +0200, Rob Burgers wrote:
> > > you know all this flamin is starting to make you guys look like
> > > childer
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:45:03PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 08:21:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 02:01:52AM +0200, Rob Burgers wrote:
> > > you know all this flamin is starting to make you guys look like
> >
because it will have lost all
right to the loyalty and devotion of its DDship.
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g.
Well, he would not be the first DPL who had an honestity problem, just
look at the manipulative lies of our previous DPL.
But again, i fear that the people bringing this always to the front, are
not really interested in the best of debian, but in mafioso like
politics, which is something real
On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 01:16:16PM +0200, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > But, this insistence, which comes after the expulsion procedure against
> > me which was restarted the day after i announced my DPL candidacy, while
in favour of Sam and against Anthony was a clear answer to that,
but it seems some have not yet learned about it, and are still trying to
bring in mafioso-like politicks into debian.
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> > Priority: required
> > ^^
> >
> > I find this DEPENDS enough!
>
> Try rm -rf /usr/share/common-licenses/ . Does your system break? No?
> Then you have willfully misunderstood Josip's point.
But, if you do that in base-files, then sudde
erhelst
> [ ] Choice A: Aigars Mahinovs
> [ ] Choice G: Gustavo Franco
> [ ] Choice L: Sven Luther
> [ ] Choice H: Sam Hocevar
> [ ] Choice M: Steve McIntyre
> [ ] Choice R: Raphaël Hertzog
> [ ] Choice A: Anthony Towns
> [ ] Choice S: Simon Richter
> [ ] Cho
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 11:08:26AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > 1) Can you tell us a few of the most important mistakes you have made
> > > during
> > > these
those mistakes ?
3) What do you think in retrospect you would have done differently ?
4) What lessons did these mistakes teach you, and how will this affect
similar situations you will be facing as DPL if elected, or as normal DD if
not elected ?
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ion in the voting system with regard to the complexity of it :)
And for those who want to flame me in return, please do so in private, or in
the -private thread about my expulsion.
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ld be a step in the wrong direction.
Why did you not propose an amendment to the GR then, which allowe for
source-only uploads ?
Or propose a new GR on the subject ?
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On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 06:45:48PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 02:10:32PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I'd like to ask Anthony and Steve what they think of how they handled
> >the conflict between Frans Pop and Sven
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Friendly,
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On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 11:39:05AM +, MJ Ray wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [...] aj's inability to mediate [...] is what left us with this mess.
>
> Not really. Messages like
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/03/msg01054.html
>
ility to mediate, or to
apoint someone capable of actually understanding what a mediation is about, is
what left us with this mess.
But then, it is probably because aj was afraid that frans would leave the d-i
team, and we would be left without a d-i release manager, but even then, this
only proves tha
ething, so ...
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On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 12:03:33AM -0700, Jurij Smakov wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 08:46:21AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> [...]
> > You are overpassing your rights as secretary, it is not for you as secretary
> > to call for a vote, or take any such actions, but it is
aybe some kind of assistant secretary either
permanent or delegated for the occasion.
Anthony, can you comment on this ?
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>
> If it appears to me that my judgement as secretary is being
> affected, I shall immediately recuse myself and delegate the power.
I fear that your judgement to notice such conflict of interest is not so good
as you think, since this is alrea
rmware matters much to end users, I couldn't
> say.
tg3, e100 maybe too, those are some very widely widespread ethernet drivers,
used among others in servers, where netbooting is a must.
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firmware is contained in a flash on the
card, it does not constitute a derivative work of the kernel, and in the same
way a free compressor which can generate compressed archive with builtin
uncompressor binaries, is not a derivative work of the compressed files it
contains.
More arguments on
On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 10:42:59AM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 08:00:42AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 08:13:36PM +, Bill Allombert wrote:
> > > Dear Debian voters,
> > >
> > > I humbly submit to your e
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 08:13:36PM +, Bill Allombert wrote:
> Dear Debian voters,
>
> I humbly submit to your elevated mass the following amendment
> to the latest General Resolution proposed by Sven Luther.
>
> =
> The Debian
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 01:34:11PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Well, we all know it is sourceless GPLed firmware, and we chose just
> > to say the contrary, because it is convenient to us.
>
> If we know[1] a work is a sourceles
regretable that Manoj losed patience suddenly
after more than a month an a half of discussing the issues. But we will see.
I think we all now await impatiently the statement of the RMs on what will
happend with the tg3 and acenic firmwares, and if we need a new vote or not.
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art on removing all those
firmwares, but i want to hear no critic or outrage from all those who remained
silent while this was happening, i sent enough warnings to debian-kernel and
spoke about it on irc that you have only yourself to blame for it.
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etch at least 6 months as the d-i team
said we should. This is indeed a possibility, but then why not say so directly ?
There are many folk who are all so happy to critic my mails and actions and
thinkings about the subject, but then, they don't care about the mess caused,
because they
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 07:05:54PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:02:10 +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > Well, i blame Manoj (not wearing his secretary hat) for doing the
> > call for vote, after i had made the final proposal, p
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 07:21:49PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:03:59 +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 04:05:57PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> >> Can you spell out for us which kernel modules,
y to this, as it is clear you won't accept
my word for this, and it is past time others of the kernel team got involved
in this again.
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Sorry, was supposed to be a private reply.
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On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 11:51:11PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 11:08:13PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> >
> > This is a new proposal, which was not in the ballot, because Manoj hurried
> > the
> > election along the way, while he knew the k
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 08:54:18PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 10:07:02AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Ok, since the proposal in its amended by Manoj form passed, we need to add
> > an
> > amendment to this proposal, acco
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 08:42:41AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:17:56 +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 03:57:28PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> >> > Probably, but then choice 1. of t
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 10:52:57AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 10:17:56AM +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Notice how SC5 says : "we support their use and provide infrastructure for
> > non-free packages". This clearly i
s more than getting this 3:1 majority. I wonder how many of those
voters didn't realize what they where voting on, but i guess we will never
know for sure.
On the other hand, thiesecond point is not really violated here, but it also
means that we need a GR vote in order to be able to release
d by the debian-installer.
END OF PROPOSAL
Only change, is the addition of clause 0. which states the override. I am not
totally satisfied by this text, so if someone has a better idea, it would be
nice.
Friendly,
Sven Luther
On Sat, Oct 07, 2006 at 06:49:17AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
&
On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 05:14:21PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Friday 13 October 2006 16:13, Sven Luther wrote:
> > For all these reasons, the kernel team believes that the solution
> > proposed at [3], and which already reached enough seconds, and will thus
> > be needed
On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 09:04:48AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 06:49:17 +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
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> > 4. We allow inclusion of such firmware into Debian Etch, even if
> > their license does not normally allow
possible other amendments (like a rewording of Josselin's proposal on top of
the consensual proposal for example).
On behalf of the Debian Kernel Team,
Friendly,
Sven Luther
[1] - http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_007
[2] - http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2006/10/msg00183.html
only needs one more?
Indeed, it needs only one more second.
Friendly,
Sven Luther
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on above all other choices, and to consider the proposal favored by
the kernel team, and which was coined to reach a consensus everyone could
agree with, and found at :
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2006/10/msg00183.html
(Still needs 2 seconds though).
Friendly,
Sven Luther
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On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 01:16:39AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 07, 2006 at 06:52:41PM -0500, Debian Project Secretary wrote:
> > > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> &
ppose the vote will be void anyway,
and i strongly call for everyone to vote further discussion over the other
solutions.
Friendly,
Sven Luther
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On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 09:20:37PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 09:51:32PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > i now release the call for vote, and ask for a vote to be held with the
> > original proposal from Frederik, which has had enough seconds since August
On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 11:56:12PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:51:32 +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
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> > Given the way the secretary has hurried the vote, and the way
> > everyone is ignoring the more mature
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On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 04:20:04PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 10:41:24AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
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> > Hello,
> >
> > As se
On Sat, Oct 07, 2006 at 09:19:58AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Mmm, i think it is important to mention the fact that they are hexdumps,
> > since
> > all of them are, no ?
>
> If all of them are, then mention it if you lik
ad all those numerous posts on -vote, even
though they didn't actively participate in the discussion.
Friendly,
Sven Luther
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On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 09:21:21PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Friday 06 October 2006 14:42, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > * Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061006 10:00]:
> > > I paste here the last instance of the draft proposal by the debian
> > > kernel team [1]. W
On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 01:40:47PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > == START OF PROPOSAL ==
> > Definition: For the purpose of this resolution, the "firmware" mentioned
> > be
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