Re: My analysis of the proposals

2019-12-02 Thread Uoti Urpala
On Mon, 2019-12-02 at 21:37 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > For those who think that sysvinit is good enough, and that the problems > for which systemd provides a solution are not problems to begin with, > there is nothing wrong with the premise of "try to keep sysvinit at 2014 > levels indefinitel

Re: My analysis of the proposals

2019-12-02 Thread Uoti Urpala
On Mon, 2019-12-02 at 19:29 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Sysvinit has worked for over 20 years. Yes, it has warts, but the warts > I therefore disagree in the strongest terms to make this be about the > position of sysvinit, except in so far as it is part of an abstract > group of "not systemd"

Re: My analysis of the proposals

2019-12-01 Thread Uoti Urpala
On Sun, 2019-12-01 at 18:43 -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > > > > > > "Uoti" == Uoti Urpala writes: > > Uoti> IMO encouragement for supporting alternative systems could be > Uoti> reasonable, but only for actual new innovation; maintainers >

Re: My analysis of the proposals

2019-12-01 Thread Uoti Urpala
Antonio Terceiro wrote: > However, as with any piece of software, systemd doesn't and won't ever cover > all use cases. It should be possible for people to use other init it they > choose so, for whatever reason. How well those would work should depend only > on > the effort of those interested in

Re: Legitimate exercise of our constitutional decision-making processes [Was, Re: Tentative summary of the amendments]

2014-10-27 Thread Uoti Urpala
Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 01:32:36PM +, Anthony Towns wrote: > > If you were literally beating people with a stick for not testing their > > packages with other init systems, that would certainly be compulsion, no? > > Using policy and RC bugs as a metaphorical stick to be

Re: Tentative summary of the amendments

2014-10-23 Thread Uoti Urpala
On Wed, 2014-10-22 at 22:25 +0300, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: > On 22 October 2014 20:14, Uoti Urpala wrote: > > Ian Jackson wrote: > >> Jonas Smedegaard writes ("Re: Tentative summary of the amendments"): > >> > Quoting Nikolaus Rath (2014-10-22 05:09:18) >

Re: Tentative summary of the amendments

2014-10-22 Thread Uoti Urpala
Ian Jackson wrote: > Jonas Smedegaard writes ("Re: Tentative summary of the amendments"): > > Quoting Nikolaus Rath (2014-10-22 05:09:18) > > > I believe Ian's intended reading is that a package that depends on > > > uselessd | systemd (but does not work with sysvinit) would be allowed > > > by h

Re: Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems

2014-03-04 Thread Uoti Urpala
On Wed, 2014-03-05 at 00:42 +, Sam Kuper wrote: > On Mar 4, 2014 11:57 PM, "Uoti Urpala" > wrote: > > If systemd "hegemony" becomes a problem, there is a much better > > open-source answer: fork systemd. > > By saying this, you have outlined the f

Re: Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems

2014-03-04 Thread Uoti Urpala
Ian Jackson wrote: > Ansgar Burchardt writes ("Re: Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init > systems"): > > So if someone packages a new init system that is not compatible with > > existing init scripts (e.g. if it does not support /etc/init.d/* as a > > fallback), then it won't be able to s