Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-11-08 Thread moth
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 08:39:49PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > I urge you to consider language which allows the ftp archive maintainers > distribute non-free software from debian mirrors should they deem this a > good idea. Specifically, one which aligns with the ideals expressed in: > http://list

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-11-08 Thread moth
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 08:39:49PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > I urge you to consider language which allows the ftp archive maintainers > distribute non-free software from debian mirrors should they deem this a > good idea. Specifically, one which aligns with the ideals expressed in: > http://list

Re: GRs, irrelevant amendments, and insincere voting

2003-11-04 Thread moth
> > If this is the case, the proposal should be so amended. There > > would be no problem running two votes, either in sequence, or > > concurrently. On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 03:35:15PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > I'll give it very serious consideration, but first I would like some > g

Re: GRs, irrelevant amendments, and insincere voting

2003-11-04 Thread moth
> > If this is the case, the proposal should be so amended. There > > would be no problem running two votes, either in sequence, or > > concurrently. On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 03:35:15PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > I'll give it very serious consideration, but first I would like some > g

Re: GRs, irrelevant amendments, and insincere voting

2003-11-02 Thread moth
> > In other words: > > > [1] if the proposer of some ballot option chooses to ignore some popular > > amendment On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 05:17:55PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: > "Popular" only in the sense that it expresses a view that is popular -- > not that the idea of replacing the ballot op

Re: GRs, irrelevant amendments, and insincere voting

2003-11-02 Thread moth
> > In other words: > > > [1] if the proposer of some ballot option chooses to ignore some popular > > amendment On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 05:17:55PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: > "Popular" only in the sense that it expresses a view that is popular -- > not that the idea of replacing the ballot op

Re: GRs, irrelevant amendments, and insincere voting

2003-11-01 Thread moth
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:47:04AM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > >> If my true preference is CABD, I should vote CADB or even CDAB. I > On Nov 1, 2003, at 10:27, Anthony Towns wrote: > > Well, no you shouldn't, because you're increasingly likely to end up > > with the default option winning,

Re: GRs, irrelevant amendments, and insincere voting

2003-11-01 Thread moth
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:47:04AM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > >> If my true preference is CABD, I should vote CADB or even CDAB. I > On Nov 1, 2003, at 10:27, Anthony Towns wrote: > > Well, no you shouldn't, because you're increasingly likely to end up > > with the default option winning,

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-25 Thread moth
> you wrote (25 May 2003): > > On the other hand, if you could show that the May 15 mechanism > > violates monotonicity, then I'd be opposed to it. On Sun, May 25, 2003 at 06:21:13PM +0200, Markus Schulze wrote: > Situation 1: >Default option: A,Quorum: 30. >40 ACB,32 BAC,28 CB

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-25 Thread moth
On Sun, May 25, 2003 at 11:52:46AM +0200, Markus Schulze wrote: > There is only one election. This seems to contradict what you said in your 5/24 message: Manoj's May 15 proposal would choose candidate E. In the next elections, when candidate E is the default option, Manoj's May 15 propo

Re: Per-item "quorum" and truncated ballots

2003-05-23 Thread moth
On Fri, May 23, 2003 at 05:24:59PM -0400, Buddha Buck wrote: > Imagine a vote along the lines of: > 100 ballots of the form: >[1] Red,[ ] Blue,[ ] Default > > 100 ballots of the form: >[1] Red,[ ] Blue,[1] Default > > 25 ballots of the form: >[ ] Red,[1] Blue,[

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-23 Thread moth
On Fri, May 23, 2003 at 09:26:49AM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: > instead, the per-option quorum will throw out the IDW in favour of a > less-favoured option due to quorum requirements. Exactly. For example: Ballot contains A, B and default option D. Quorum is 10.

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-21 Thread moth
On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 09:53:33AM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: > thus, in the case of a single voter AGAINST the default option, the > default option wins. this is not very likely, but this is also the case. You can't vote against the default option -- you vote against something by submitti

Re: Ending votes early

2003-05-13 Thread moth
> > I've always taken it to mean "ignoring the slight possibility that > > people who have voted didn't mean what they said". On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 08:02:00PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I am not sure that the possibility is slight, really. Oh? In the elections you have details on,

Re: April 17th Draft of the Voting GR

2003-04-22 Thread moth
On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 10:24:10AM +0200, Jochen Voss wrote: > I think we are loosing the track again. What is the problem you are > trying to solve here? I think that your draft in > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was really ok. Hmm... that says < If there are defeats between options in the Schwar

Re: April 17th Draft of the Voting GR

2003-04-18 Thread moth
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 09:56:03AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > It doesn't. Once defeats are dropped, they are *entirely* irrelevant to > the vote, and it's utterly useless to have terms that refer to them. That's true. However, it may be that Manoj is concerned that once the transitive defeat i

Re: Dec 15 voting amendment draft

2003-02-15 Thread moth
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 03:14:57PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Glad to see you are back. Want to take over the stewardship of > this GR again? I'll be happy to contribute, as I can, but I don't want to get in the way, and I can't guarantee that I'll be able to put as much time into

Re: Dec 15 voting amendment draft

2003-02-15 Thread moth
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 03:14:57PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Glad to see you are back. Want to take over the stewardship of > this GR again? I'll be happy to contribute, as I can, but I don't want to get in the way, and I can't guarantee that I'll be able to put as much time into