Re: [DRAFT #2] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-20 Thread Sam Hartman
Watching other volunteer organizations, I've found that having turnover somewhere between 3-5 years tends to work fairly well. I've seen this in student organizations where the turnover tends to be somewhat encouraged by graduation although in the cases I'm thinking of that did not force the issue

Re: [DRAFT #2] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-20 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 20/11/14 at 08:21 +, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 08:01:54AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > > I don't think that the TC is a stress-full role. Obviously the recent > > > > past > > > > proved how the role can be incredibly stressful at times. But there has > > > > also

Re: [DRAFT #2] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-20 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 08:01:54AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > I don't think that the TC is a stress-full role. Obviously the recent past > > > proved how the role can be incredibly stressful at times. But there has > > > also been long periods without much activity, [...] FWIW, I agree wit

Re: [DRAFT #2] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-19 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 19/11/14 at 22:31 -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 01:59:33PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > On 19/11/14 at 12:25 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:37:25AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > > I fear that, by reducing the average 'age' from

Re: [DRAFT #2] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-19 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 01:59:33PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 19/11/14 at 12:25 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:37:25AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > I fear that, by reducing the average 'age' from 7.8 years to ~2 years, > > > we are going too far. I woul

Re: [DRAFT #2] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-19 Thread David Weinehall
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 10:18:36PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 19/11/14 at 19:13 +, Anthony Towns wrote: > > Russ's reaction to this was that it would be very hard not to > > automatically reappoint a current member: > > > > The social pressures here don't work very well. In general,

Re: [DRAFT #2] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-19 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 19/11/14 at 19:13 +, Anthony Towns wrote: > Russ's reaction to this was that it would be very hard not to > automatically reappoint a current member: > > The social pressures here don't work very well. In general, any > approach that has the existing committee decide whether to retain

Re: Re: [DRAFT #2] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-19 Thread Bdale Garbee
An easy way to resolve the question about the "mandatory vacation period" would be to just have both variants available when this goes to GR? In other words, let the project decide whether that seems prudent. For the record, as the now-longest-serving member of the TC, I'll be the first person to

Re: [DRAFT #2] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-19 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:37:25AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > First, some data. The 'age' of each member of the TC (not excluding Russ and > Colin) is: > aba 2005-12-27 <8764pbxd9k@glaurung.internal.golden-gryphon.com>, 8.9y > bdale 2001-04-17 <20010417195420.i5...@visi.net>, ~13.6y > cjwat

Re: [DRAFT #2] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-19 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 06:31:31PM +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote: > * Stefano Zacchiroli , 2014-11-18, 21:49: > >-5. If the Technical Committee and the Project Leader agree they may > >+5. A Developer is not eligible to be (re)appointed to the Technical > >+ Committee if they have been a me

Re: [DRAFT #2] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-19 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Stefano Zacchiroli , 2014-11-18, 21:49: -5. If the Technical Committee and the Project Leader agree they may +5. A Developer is not eligible to be (re)appointed to the Technical + Committee if they have been a member within the previous 12 months. +6. If the Technical Committe

Re: [DRAFT #2] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-19 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 19/11/14 at 12:25 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:37:25AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > I fear that, by reducing the average 'age' from 7.8 years to ~2 years, > > we are going too far. I would like to make it easier, for some members, > > to stay members of the T

Re: [DRAFT #2] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-19 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:37:25AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 18/11/14 at 21:49 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > +5. A Developer is not eligible to be (re)appointed to the Technical > > + Committee if they have been a member within the previous 12 months. > > Even if the possi

Re: [DRAFT #2] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-19 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, First, some data. The 'age' of each member of the TC (not excluding Russ and Colin) is: aba 2005-12-27 <8764pbxd9k@glaurung.internal.golden-gryphon.com>, 8.9y bdale 2001-04-17 <20010417195420.i5...@visi.net>, ~13.6y cjwatson 2011-08-24 <20110824160257.ga30...@upsilon.cc>, 3.2y don 2009-01-

Re: [DRAFT #2] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-18 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi, On Tue Nov 18, 2014 at 21:49:52 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > === > The Constitution is amended as follows: > > --- > --- constitution.txt.orig

[DRAFT #2] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-18 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 11:33:10AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > Here is a draft GR text which builds on Anthony's work and implements > some of the aspects discussed in this thread. See below for > comments/rationales and the attachment for a wdiff. Updated draft below. Changelog is: - fix