Here's the nightmare scenario, under Manoj's amendment, which I think
John Robinson may have been trying to come up with. Consider two options,
A and B, and the default option D. Let the quorum requirement R=20.
39 people show up to vote. These are their preferences (most prefered
on the left,
On Sat, May 24, 2003 at 07:27:53PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> Here's the nightmare scenario, under Manoj's amendment, which I think
> John Robinson may have been trying to come up with. Consider two options,
> A and B, and the default option D. Let the quorum requirement R=20.
> 39 people
It may be noted that my example involves on a fair number of people
ranking A *equal* to the default option.
It's possible to prohibit this, which would certainly simplify some
things. However, I think it is perfectly legitimate for someone to
consider something to be of equal value to the def
Raul Miller said:
>Which makes at least some sense: only 19 people actively approved of A,
>while 20 actively approved of B. Granted, this mechanism only kicks in
>for votes with very low turnout or where significant numbers of people
>don't actively approve of options, but I'm not convinced that
On Sat, May 24, 2003 at 09:48:36PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> Yep. But of the 20 who actively approved of B, 19 prefered A.
> Meanwhile, nobody actively opposed A, but 19 people actively opposed B.
True. We do not require unanimous agreement in such cases.
> Choosing B is a good way to
On Sat, May 24, 2003 at 09:48:36PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> Raul Miller said:
> >Which makes at least some sense: only 19 people actively approved of A,
> >while 20 actively approved of B. Granted, this mechanism only kicks in
> >for votes with very low turnout or where significant numbers
On Sat, May 24, 2003 at 07:27:53PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> 19x A=DB
> 19x ABD
> 1x BA=D
>
> [...] and B wins (20 to 19).
> Now, with such a low vote, it may seem reasonable for the default option
> to win. But it's certainly not reasonable for B to win.
Why not, exactly? A clear majo
On Sat, May 24, 2003 at 09:24:34PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> Consider if all the people who, in my original example, ranked A=D,
> instead ranked A *below* D.
> 19x ADB
> 19x ABD
> 1x BDA
>
> A vs. B
> 38 to 1
>
> D vs. A
> 20 to 19
Huh? YM A vs D: 38:1.
> B vs. D
> 20 to 19
>
> There's
On Sat, May 24, 2003 at 07:27:53PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> Here's the nightmare scenario, under Manoj's amendment, which I think
> John Robinson may have been trying to come up with. Consider two options,
> A and B, and the default option D. Let the quorum requirement R=20.
> 39 people
Anthony Towns said:
If you meant:
19x DAB
19x ABD
1x BDA
This is indeed what I meant. :-( Sorry.
Note that without quorum, A is dropped any way, since it doesn't defeat
the default option by its majority requirement, and B wins then too. The
way the proposal is const
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