Re: Choice Hartmans1a

2019-11-22 Thread Sam Hartman
Hi. You provided a diff to the text on the website, which hadn't been updated with choice hartmans1A. Attached is the patch I actually applied, which I believe is consistent with the spirit of your changes. diff --git a/init-system-gr b/init-system-gr index dade7d0..f2ee7f2 100644 --- a

Re: Choice Hartmans1a

2019-11-22 Thread Sam Hartman
eral resolutions. That is, this describes where we are today. That can move along over time. And yes, people can point back to the GR result and use that as a justification. For example if choice hartmans1A won the vote, and the next day someone proposed we throw out sysvinit, it would be reasona

Re: Choice Hartmans1a

2019-11-22 Thread gregor herrmann
On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 08:01:37 -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > > "gregor" == gregor herrmann writes: > gregor> This contradicts the spirit, culture, and conventions around > gregor> NMUs which are prevalent in Debian for at least ten years > gregor> and are written down in DevRef 5.11.1

Re: Choice Hartmans1a

2019-11-22 Thread Sam Hartman
> "David" == David Prévot writes: David> Le 22/11/2019 à 03:01, Sam Hartman a écrit : >> I think it is important to emphasize that these bugs can be NMUed >> in this choice. David> By doing that, this choice de facto overrides the currently David> documented (and working)

Re: Choice Hartmans1a

2019-11-22 Thread David Prévot
Le 22/11/2019 à 03:01, Sam Hartman a écrit : > I think it is important to emphasize that these bugs can be NMUed in > this choice. By doing that, this choice de facto overrides the currently documented (and working) NMU workflow and practices. I believe it opens a can of worms. It sets on stone

Re: Choice Hartmans1a

2019-11-22 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 08:01:37AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > I'd appreciate help in achieving these goals without undermining the > text in debref. Choice 1: Init deversity is Important and NMUable -> Choice 1: Init diversity is Important and However, adding an init script to such a package i

Re: Choice Hartmans1a

2019-11-22 Thread Sam Hartman
>>>>> "gregor" == gregor herrmann writes: gregor> On Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:58:09 -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: >> Choice hartmans1A: Init deversity is Important and NMUable gregor> […] >> Developers may perform non-maintainer uploads to fix th

Re: Choice Hartmans1a

2019-11-21 Thread Dmitry Bogatov
[2019-11-21 13:58] Sam Hartman > Choice hartmans1A: Init deversity is Important and NMUable > [...] > Developers may > perform non-maintainer uploads to fix these bugs. As was already pointed, this is useless. Developers already can NMU any bug. > modification of Policy t

Re: Choice Hartmans1a

2019-11-21 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 21/11/19 at 13:58 -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > It is a important bug (although not a serious one) when > packages should work without systemd but they do not. Developers may > perform non-maintainer uploads to fix these bugs. I think that it would be better to leave details of the BTS out of th

Re: Choice Hartmans1a

2019-11-21 Thread gregor herrmann
On Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:58:09 -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > Choice hartmans1A: Init deversity is Important and NMUable […] > Developers may > perform non-maintainer uploads to fix these bugs. This contradicts the spirit, culture, and conventions around NMUs which are prevalent in Debi

Choice Hartmans1a

2019-11-21 Thread Sam Hartman
like such strategic culling of options is not in the project's interest. I'm still open to arguments that the option should be removed from the ballot, but I'm much more inclined to keep it than I was this morning. ---- Choice hartmans1A: Init de