Re: Coming up with a new Oracle (was: Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR)

2009-01-10 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Sat Jan 10 15:51, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Fri, 09 Jan 2009, Ian Jackson wrote: > > > How do you define "relevant"? The vote is run because someome proposed a > > > GR and X others have seconded it. They are relevant, it happened due to > > > them. Now as a voter I want to know their motivati

Re: Coming up with a new Oracle (was: Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR)

2009-01-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 09 Jan 2009, Ian Jackson wrote: > > How do you define "relevant"? The vote is run because someome proposed a > > GR and X others have seconded it. They are relevant, it happened due to > > them. Now as a voter I want to know their motivation and would like to > > have a link to mail where t

Re: Coming up with a new Oracle (was: Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR)

2009-01-10 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
[ Moving the discussion to -project. Please do remember to drop -vote from the recipients list if you follow up. ] On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 10:09:52AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > > Your lawerish-like interpretation of everything that happens in Debian > > > > (I assume that was a typo for

Re: Coming up with a new Oracle (was: Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR)

2009-01-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Raphael Hertzog writes ("Re: Coming up with a new Oracle (was: Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR)"): > On Tue, 06 Jan 2009, Ian Jackson wrote: > > [Raphael:] > > > I agree with the intent but I don't agree with the list of persons you >

Re: Coming up with a new Oracle (was: Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR)

2009-01-07 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009, Ian Jackson wrote: > > > - To help voters choose, the following people should be able to > > >require the Secretary to quote on each GR ballot form a URL > > >of their choice, to be used by them for disseminating their vews on > > >the vote: > > >The Propos

Re: Coming up with a new Oracle (was: Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR)

2009-01-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Clint Adams writes ("Re: Coming up with a new Oracle (was: Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR)"): > On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 10:09:52AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > The constitution should really be clear so that interpretation is almost > >

Re: Coming up with a new Oracle (was: Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR)

2009-01-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Raphael Hertzog writes ("Re: Coming up with a new Oracle (was: Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR)"): > On Tue, 06 Jan 2009, Ian Jackson wrote: > > - The Secretary should explicitly have the power to delay a GR > >vote by up to (say) two

Re: Coming up with a new Oracle (was: Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR)

2009-01-06 Thread Clint Adams
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 10:09:52AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > The constitution should really be clear so that interpretation is almost > never needed. Agreed. > We should fix the constitution so that we can leave the duty of > interpreting the constitution to the secretary. Agreed. > We ju

Re: Coming up with a new Oracle (was: Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR)

2009-01-06 Thread Matthew Vernon
Raphael Hertzog writes: > The GR ballot should only give the URL on vote.debian.org where you would > find links behind each proposer/seconder. Ideally those links point > directly to the debian-vote archive so that it lets people jump into > discussions directly and form their own opinion. I th

Re: Coming up with a new Oracle (was: Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR)

2009-01-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > The big goal, for me at least, and hopefully for the other participants, is an > eventual agreement on what the constitution says, or alternatively, a broadly > accepted amendment of the constitution that clarifies unclear matters and > settles t

Coming up with a new Oracle (was: Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR)

2009-01-05 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 02:07:08PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Can we stop this absurd discussion/reasoning? I don't believe it is absurd. But reading some of the private replies I've already got to my other mail, it seems my motivation for this discussion has not been obvious. To me, this d