Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The accounting solution at SPI is still tenuous. Illness, accident or simple
> boredom could still easily lead us to the situation we had before. The
> solution you've outlined could work but it increases complexity rather than
> removing it. I don't k
Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Really, considering that Debian lost enough money to buy a multi-terabyte
> storage array do you honestly feel this is a "problem that will work itself
> out"? When a person cares enough about the project to sit down and write us a
> check I do not th
On Tuesday 15 March 2005 06:05 am, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Hrm; from my archives of spi-private, I'd been complaining about the
> lack of transparency in financial mangement since 13th Jan 2003, at
> which point, aiui, donations had not been accepted at all for over six
> months. SPI members who are
Ean Schuessler wrote:
Q: In June of 2004 it became apparent that SPI had deep set
problems executing its chartered tasks.
Hrm; from my archives of spi-private, I'd been complaining about the
lack of transparency in financial mangement since 13th Jan 2003, at
which point, aiui, donations had not
On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > Yep, but there is a difference between the information being available,
> > > and it
> > > being actively feeded to the NSA or whoever. And it is especially
> > > bothering if
> > > this cause undue delay in our normal activities, like aj is saying it
On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 03:11:02PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 04:54:34PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 06:12:03AM -0800, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > > Sven Luther wrote:
> > > >>It's hard to take this sort of discussion as anything but an attack on
also sprach Anthony Towns [2005.03.04.2118 +0100]:
> I think the "communication issues" are just a stand in for
> complaints of the underlying cause. If they weren't, I think the
> new.html page should be more of a solution
... not many people knew about it until recently. And there has not
been
also sprach Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.03.03.0735 +0100]:
> Where can we put them? Submitting them "in secret" to be edited by
> the debate organizers seems incorrect.
Part of the reason why I would like to do it this way is (a) we have
to edit the questions anyway, since there are o
also sprach MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.03.03.0520 +0100]:
> > Can we keep the debate questions off this list? Otherwise the
> > choice is between leaving them unanswered for a couple of weeks
> > until the debate, or having them already answered on the list,
> > and thus redundant for the deb
Dear Ms. Faulkner,
I read in a recent issue of Linux Magazine (European edition) that the
program "Hot Babe" is being considered as an inclusion to Debian. I find
this disappointing since it is a clearly sexist appllication. The
defense that it should be allowed because of free expression rings
On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 04:54:34PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 06:12:03AM -0800, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > Sven Luther wrote:
> > >>It's hard to take this sort of discussion as anything but an attack on
> > >>ftpmaster, since there are plenty of teams in Debian that're even
On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 06:09:00AM -0800, Anthony Towns wrote:
>
> (1) Hrm, ftpmaster aren't doing things as quickly as normal.
> (2) Gosh, that probably means they're really busy.
> (3) I wonder what I could do that would help.
(4) I'll ask.
(5) Hmmm, no response. OK, let's see whether anyone
On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 06:09:00AM -0800, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Well, here's a simple train of thought:
>
> (1) Hrm, ftpmaster aren't doing things as quickly as normal.
> (2) Gosh, that probably means they're really busy.
> (3) I wonder what I could do that would help.
Ah, well, in how can we
On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 06:12:03AM -0800, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> >>It's hard to take this sort of discussion as anything but an attack on
> >>ftpmaster, since there are plenty of teams in Debian that're even less
> >>transparent and effective than us. But given how these sort
Anthony Towns wrote: [...]
> Well, here's a simple train of thought:
> (1) Hrm, ftpmaster aren't doing things as quickly as normal.
> (2) Gosh, that probably means they're really busy.
> (3) I wonder what I could do that would help.
I can't see why one would make the jump from 1 to 2 withou
Sven Luther wrote:
On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 06:56:44PM -0600, Adam Heath wrote:
4) furthermore, i believe that, altough it never happened, it could well be
that the BSwhatever agency may also once it reads the notification, reject
the export authorization for a particular package, no ?
No.
Ch
Sven Luther wrote:
It's hard to take this sort of discussion as anything but an attack on
ftpmaster, since there are plenty of teams in Debian that're even less
transparent and effective than us. But given how these sorts of
But they are less a hindrance to the daily work of maintainers, and can
Matthew Garrett wrote:
(I'm not suggesting that the ftp-masters are doing their job
inadequately here,
See, that's the thing, you _are_. You can tell, because you had to
explicitly refute the idea; it's the same as being able to tell you're
being offensive when you feel the need to say "no offens
On Tue, 08 Mar 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
> 3) Some would argue that this impose an additional fee or
> restriction (in the same way as a post-card licence) on our
> distribution as part of debian. (read the debian-legal posts for
> this past year or so, if you doubt).
Nothing in debian-legal has sa
On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 06:56:44PM -0600, Adam Heath wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 01:59:16PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> > > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >
> > > > I have some real trouble with the fact that all the work i do
Anthony Towns wrote:
> There's no particular reason NEW isn't being processed -- people are
> just busy doing other things; some of which are outside Debian, others
> of which are related to getting the release out, or whatever else.
> That's not, in my opinion, something Debian developers hav
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 01:59:16PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > I have some real trouble with the fact that all the work i do for debian
> > > is
> > > reported to the US secret services or whateve
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 11:28:57AM -0800, Anthony Towns wrote:
> There's no particular reason NEW isn't being processed -- people are
> just busy doing other things; some of which are outside Debian, others
> of which are related to getting the release out, or whatever else.
> That's not, in my
Op za, 05-03-2005 te 08:48 +0100, schreef Sven Luther:
> On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 01:59:16PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > I have some real trouble with the fact that all the work i do for debian
> > > is
> > > reported to the US secret ser
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 11:28:57AM -0800, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Matthew Garrett wrote:
> >I'm certainly not suggesting that they be rejected out of hand, and
> >accepting them isn't the correct decision either. Currently, though,
> >it's impossible to tell the difference between "This package is a
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 03:02:34PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> Anthony Towns wrote:
> > I actually think that's a good result: far better to keep track of the
> > problematic packages, than to just REJECT them with a reason like
> > "doesn't seem like a good idea" and have them randomly reup
Matthew Garrett wrote:
Anthony Towns wrote:
I think the "communication issues" are just a stand in for complaints of
the underlying cause. If they weren't, I think the new.html page should
be more of a solution --
But currently people have no idea what the underlying cause /is/, which
is certai
Anthony Towns wrote:
> Matthew Garrett wrote:
>> Complaints about NEW can roughly be split into three catagories:
>> 1) It takes too long
>> 2) It isn't happening
>
> These are the same issue: it's a queue, packages uploaded now will be
> processed when NEW starts getting processed regularly ag
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> So what ? You are one of us, and not a potentially hostile outside agency.
PUBLIC. That means not only to "us", but to hostile things too.
Hostile things like the US Government, or *really* hostile things like
the governments of France and China.
--
T
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 12:18:37PM -0800, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Matthew Garrett wrote:
> >3) My package has been sitting in the queue for ages and other packages
> >have been processed
> >This is a communication problem.
>
> No, this is a policy problem. Communication is easy: hit "M" for manual
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 01:55:25PM -0800, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> >I have some real trouble with the fact that all the work i do for debian is
> >reported to the US secret services or whatever by the ftp-masters and our
> >archive handling services, and i certainly did *NOT* agr
On Sat, Mar 05, 2005 at 09:02:36AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> * Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050305 09:00]:
> > On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 01:59:16PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> > > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > > > I have some real trouble with the fact that all the wo
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Yep, but there is a difference between the information being
> available, and it being actively feeded to the NSA or whoever. And
> it is especially bothering if this cause undue delay in our normal
> activities, like aj is saying it is.
Tough. It's *pub
On Sat, Mar 05, 2005 at 08:48:21AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 01:59:16PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > I have some real trouble with the fact that all the work i do for debian
> > > is
> > > reported to the US secr
* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050305 09:00]:
> On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 01:59:16PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > I have some real trouble with the fact that all the work i do for debian
> > > is
> > > reported to the US secret services or
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 01:59:16PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I have some real trouble with the fact that all the work i do for debian is
> > reported to the US secret services or whatever by the ftp-masters and our
> > archive handling servic
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have some real trouble with the fact that all the work i do for debian is
> reported to the US secret services or whatever by the ftp-masters and our
> archive handling services, and i certainly did *NOT* agree to this being the
> case.
What are you tal
Sven Luther wrote:
I have some real trouble with the fact that all the work i do for debian is
reported to the US secret services or whatever by the ftp-masters and our
archive handling services, and i certainly did *NOT* agree to this being the
case.
Everyone subscribed to debian-devel-changes get
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 09:26:39PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> * Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050304 21:20]:
> > Sure, move our archive out of the US, and be gone with the problem.
> except for the developers who live in US, and have to deal with export
> regulations by themselfs then.
So, t
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 12:18:37PM -0800, Anthony Towns wrote:
> I think the "communication issues" are just a stand in for complaints of
> the underlying cause. If they weren't, I think the new.html page should
>
> I actually think that's a good result: far better to keep track of the
> proble
* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050304 21:20]:
> Sure, move our archive out of the US, and be gone with the problem.
except for the developers who live in US, and have to deal with export
regulations by themselfs then.
Cheers,
Andi
--
http://home.arcor.de/andreas-barth/
PGP 1024/89FB5CE
Matthew Garrett wrote:
Erm, , I guess.
Anthony Towns wrote:
As a concrete example, I don't think
http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
resolves the complaints about NEW and hence I don't think that the NEW
issue is an example of a communication problem at all.
http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 11:28:16AM -0800, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> >And again to my purely technical question. Is it really necessary for
> >kernel-source-2.6.11 to go through NEW once it is uploaded for example ?
>
> It's not a technical issue it's a legal one -- our approach t
David Schmitt wrote:
Please discuss the social differences between debian-release and debian-kernel
on the one side and the buildd admins and ftpmasters on the other side.
Explain the differences in public opinion about the groups. Take the
opportunity to identify other positive and negative exa
Sven Luther wrote:
You wouldn't accept this kind of behavior from DDs on their package
maintenance,
That's not true. Plenty of DDs are non-responsive for one reason or
other, and it's perfectly acceptable; we even have documented procedures
to deal with that -- NMUs, vacation reports, and QA amon
[Please don't confuse my procmailrc by CC'ing me]
On Friday 04 March 2005 15:45, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Please discuss the social differences between debian-release and
> > debian-kernel
>
> I absolutely don't follow you about d-r and d-k interaction ? What social
> difference are you speaking abo
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 01:33:15PM +0100, David Schmitt wrote:
>>
>> Since the DPL should be a specialist in leadership and social issues:
>>
>> Please discuss the social differences between debian-release and
>> debian-kernel
>
> I absolutely don't fol
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 01:33:15PM +0100, David Schmitt wrote:
> On Thursday 03 March 2005 04:41, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > Sven Luther wrote:
> > > I would like to know from the DPL candidates what is their opinion on way
> > > the ftp-masters handle the NEW queue,
> >
> > I think this is the wrong
Anthony Towns wrote:
> As a concrete example, I don't think
>
> http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
>
> resolves the complaints about NEW and hence I don't think that the NEW
> issue is an example of a communication problem at all.
http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html failing to resolv
On Thursday 03 March 2005 04:41, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> > I would like to know from the DPL candidates what is their opinion on way
> > the ftp-masters handle the NEW queue,
>
> I think this is the wrong question. The right question to ask is what
> the ftpmasters think of the
On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 03:29:58AM -0800, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> >Well, i guess people get rather irritated if sending email to ftp-master
> >email
> >address for things that are mostly reasonable could as well go to
> >/dev/null,
>
> Sure, of course they are, and so they sh
Sven Luther wrote:
Well, i guess people get rather irritated if sending email to ftp-master email
address for things that are mostly reasonable could as well go to /dev/null,
Sure, of course they are, and so they should be. I can fairly readily
find 52k more reasons for people to be irritated with
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 11:33:43PM -0800, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> >On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 09:27:36AM -0800, Anthony Towns wrote:
> >>Steve Langasek wrote:
> >>>As someone who is
> >>>both an ftpmaster and a DPL candidate, could you also tell us what
> >>>resources you (or the f
Sven Luther wrote:
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 09:27:36AM -0800, Anthony Towns wrote:
Steve Langasek wrote:
As someone who is
both an ftpmaster and a DPL candidate, could you also tell us what
resources you (or the ftpmasters as a group, if you believe it's
appropriate to speak for them) would apprecia
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 09:27:36AM -0800, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Steve Langasek wrote:
> >As someone who is
> >both an ftpmaster and a DPL candidate, could you also tell us what
> >resources you (or the ftpmasters as a group, if you believe it's
> >appropriate to speak for them) would appreciate?
>
Steve Langasek wrote:
As someone who is
both an ftpmaster and a DPL candidate, could you also tell us what
resources you (or the ftpmasters as a group, if you believe it's
appropriate to speak for them) would appreciate?
The most valuable thing I can think of would be to not have to have some
flame
Hi Anthony,
On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 07:41:09PM -0800, Anthony Towns wrote:
> >I would like to know from the DPL candidates what is their opinion on way
> >the
> >ftp-masters handle the NEW queue,
> I think this is the wrong question. The right question to ask is what
> the ftpmasters think of t
Where can we put them? Submitting them "in secret" to be edited by the debate
organizers seems incorrect.
I think we just need to remain focused on the idea that we are editing
questions to be posed to candidates, not attempting to answer the questions
themselves.
On Wednesday 02 March 2005 9:
Whoops. I screwed up an edit. Let me redo it:
Q: In June of 2004 it became apparent that SPI had deep set
problems executing its chartered tasks. Donations equal to roughly
half of Debian's total holdings did not make their way into the project's
accounts due to poor (or non-existant) bookkeepi
Anthony Towns wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 09:29:41AM +, Helen Faulkner wrote:
> >>You are welcome to either post suggested questions to this list, or to
> >>email myself and/or Martin privately with your suggestions. [...]
> > Ok, i have one question.
> Can we keep
Sven Luther wrote:
On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 09:29:41AM +, Helen Faulkner wrote:
You are welcome to either post suggested questions to this list, or to
email myself and/or Martin privately with your suggestions. If you wish
your questions to be anonymous, please email us privately and make that
Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...]
> Q: In June of 2004 it became apparent that SPI had been having deep set
> responsibilities executing its chartered task. [...]
JOOI, is "deep set responsibilities" new business-speak for problems?
As past -vote readers know, I agree with Ean that
I know I've caused a lot of controversy with this issue but I keep
reapproaching it only because I feel its so important and that we are still
failing to address the issue with the proper level of seriousness (ie.
completely and permanently solved).
So... Dead horse... Kick. Kick. Kick.
Q: In
Em Seg, 2005-02-28 às 06:29, Helen Faulkner escreveu:
> We would therefore like to call for suggestions for questions to be put
> to the candidates during the debate. We hope to be able to choose a set
> of questions which reflect the concerns and interests of Debian
> Developers in general.
Ok,
Helen wrote:
>
>You are welcome to either post suggested questions to this list, or to
>email myself and/or Martin privately with your suggestions. If you wish
>your questions to be anonymous, please email us privately and make that
>clear.
A commonly-acknowledged problem within Debian is communi
On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 09:29:41AM +, Helen Faulkner wrote:
> You are welcome to either post suggested questions to this list, or to
> email myself and/or Martin privately with your suggestions. If you wish
> your questions to be anonymous, please email us privately and make that
> clear.
Ok,
Hi All,
As you probably know, the 2005 Debian Project Leader elections will
involve an IRC debate, to be chaired by Martin Krafft and myself.
The exact format and time of the debate have not been finalised, though
the debate will obviously be held during the campaign period (ie before
March 21st) a
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