Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:55:09PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 08:23:09PM +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > > > > > Title: Replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution > > > > > > All appearances of the

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 08:23:09PM +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote: > Hi, > > > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > > > Title: Replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution > > > > All appearances of the word Chairman shall be replaced with the word Chair. > > > > === END GR TEXT

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Hi, > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution > > All appearances of the word Chairman shall be replaced with the word Chair. > > === END GR TEXT === It's been 18 days since the GR was proposed and seconded. I'd like to now call for

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Gunnar Wolf writes: > Ansgar Burchardt dijo [Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 02:40:44PM +0200]: >> >> Luckily there's an awesome non-gendered and non-furnitured alternative: >> >> >> >> President >> > >> > Point is, the TC is constitutionally only about half-surrogating >> > MIA DPLs and

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Ansgar Burchardt dijo [Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 02:40:44PM +0200]: > >> Luckily there's an awesome non-gendered and non-furnitured alternative: > >> > >> President > > > > Point is, the TC is constitutionally only about half-surrogating > > MIA DPLs and breaking ties. The non-constitutional part of

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Nikolaus Rath dijo [Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 04:41:15PM -0700]: > On Jul 22 2016, martin f krafft wrote: > > also sprach Lionel Elie Mamane [2016-07-22 12:14 +0200]: > >> Since Debian is an international project, with many (I expect a > >> majority but am too

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Lionel Elie Mamane dijo [Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:16:22PM +0200]: > On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:14:14PM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: > > > I'd rather you asked me for a signed agreement in triplicate before > > taking it out of the debian-private debian-developer-only archives to > > quote/post

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Wouter Verhelst dijo [Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 11:15:57AM +0200]: > Hi Marga, > > I second this amendment, although it introduces a minor awkwardness: > > On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 03:27:56PM +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote: > > - The Technical Committee and/or its Chairman; > > + The Technical

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

* Ansgar Burchardt , 2016-07-24, 14:40: non-Chair choices also avoid confusion with a possible future Chair of the Technical Committee that might be used as part of an inauguration ceremony I think Throne would be better for inauguration ceremony. -- Jakub Wilk

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes: > Le vendredi, 22 juillet 2016, 12.28:38 h CEST Jakub Wilk a écrit : >> Luckily there's an awesome non-gendered and non-furnitured alternative: >> >> President > > Point is, the TC is constitutionally only about half-surrogating > MIA DPLs and breaking ties. The

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On Jul 22 2016, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Lionel Elie Mamane [2016-07-22 12:14 +0200]: >> Since Debian is an international project, with many (I expect a >> majority but am too lazy to check) of non-native English speakers, >> maybe taking a more

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Le vendredi, 22 juillet 2016, 12.28:38 h CEST Jakub Wilk a écrit : > Luckily there's an awesome non-gendered and non-furnitured alternative: > > President Point is, the TC is constitutionally only about half-surrogating MIA DPLs and breaking ties. The non-constitutional part of the duty is

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Lionel Elie Mamane writes: > On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:14:14PM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: > >> I'd rather you asked me for a signed agreement in triplicate before >> taking it out of the debian-private debian-developer-only archives to >> quote/post somewhere else. > >

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:14:14PM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: > Since Debian is an international project, with many (I expect a > majority but am too lazy to check) of non-native English speakers, > maybe taking a more unwieldy, but more clear route, would be better: > Chairperson? "Chair"

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:16:22PM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: > Except I'm not posting to debian-private, but to debian-vote. Oh, > silly me. I wonder if there will be sanctions for this egregious violation of our privacy and trust ;) -- Jonathan Dowland Please do not CC me, I am

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

also sprach Lionel Elie Mamane [2016-07-22 12:14 +0200]: > Since Debian is an international project, with many (I expect a > majority but am too lazy to check) of non-native English speakers, > maybe taking a more unwieldy, but more clear route, would be better: > Chairperson?

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

* Lionel Elie Mamane , 2016-07-22, 12:14: Since Debian is an international project, with many (I expect a majority but am too lazy to check) of non-native English speakers, maybe taking a more unwieldy, but more clear route, would be better: Chairperson? Sounds clumsy.

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:14:14PM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: > I'd rather you asked me for a signed agreement in triplicate before > taking it out of the debian-private debian-developer-only archives to > quote/post somewhere else. Except I'm not posting to debian-private, but to

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 11:15:57AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 03:27:56PM +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote: >> - The Technical Committee and/or its Chairman; >> + The Technical Committee and/or its Chair; > A "Chairman" is a person. A "Chair" may be an object. > I

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Wouter Verhelst writes: > A "Chairman" is a person. A "Chair" may be an object. > I don't think anyone will misinterpret your proposed new wording into > thinking the TC has a physical chair that someone sits on, but the > s/Chairmain/Chair/ you apply does to me seem to

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Daniel Kahn Gillmor writes ("Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution"): > I'm a native english speaker. English has far worse ambiguities than > this, and it is easily recognizable for what it is. No one will thin

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On Thu 2016-07-21 11:15:57 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > A "Chairman" is a person. A "Chair" may be an object. > > I don't think anyone will misinterpret your proposed new wording into > thinking the TC has a physical chair that someone sits on, but the > s/Chairmain/Chair/ you apply does to me

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 7:15 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > A "Chairman" is a person. A "Chair" may be an object. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chair_%28disambiguation%29 "Chair or Chairman, the highest officer of an organized group"

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Hello, On 21 July 2016 at 10:15, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Hi Marga, > > I second this amendment, although it introduces a minor awkwardness: > > On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 03:27:56PM +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote: >> - The Technical Committee and/or its Chairman; >> + The

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Hi Marga, I second this amendment, although it introduces a minor awkwardness: On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 03:27:56PM +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote: > - The Technical Committee and/or its Chairman; > + The Technical Committee and/or its Chair; A "Chairman" is a person. A "Chair" may be an

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 11:14:45AM +, Thaddeus H. Black wrote: > (However, if this copy, too, does not appear in the web archive, then > I will ask listmas...@lists.debian.org or file a bug as appropriate.) > Your (new) mail does now appear publically accessible to all who search for it in

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016, Thaddeus H. Black wrote: > > All appearances of the word Chairman shall be > > replaced with the word Chair. > > I oppose this and all efforts to emasculate the > Debian Project. Did something change since 12 years ago, when you agreed to join a project that advocated

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

My dissent three days ago against Margarita's General Resolution does not seem to appear in the web archive, nor have I seen a reply (which is fine). An infrequent poster, an infrequent Mutt user, having manually edited the header's In-Reply-To line, I probably posted the dissent wrong. Let's

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 06:53:33PM +0200, Joachim Breitner wrote: > Hi, > > Am Montag, den 11.07.2016, 07:20 +0200 schrieb Bernd Zeimetz: > > seconded > > if more than half the developers second the proposal, can we skip the > voting? You can look for a new secretary in that case. Kurt

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

* Joachim Breitner , 2016-07-11, 18:53: seconded if more than half the developers second the proposal, can we skip the voting? Nope. Sponsoring a resolution means only that you want the vote to take place; it doesn't imply that you want the resolution to pass. The

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Hi, Am Montag, den 11.07.2016, 07:20 +0200 schrieb Bernd Zeimetz: > seconded if more than half the developers second the proposal, can we skip the voting? Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim “nomeata” Breitner Debian Developer   nome...@debian.org • https://people.debian.org/~nomeata   XMPP:

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On 07/08/2016 03:27 PM, Margarita Manterola wrote: > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution > > All appearances of the word Chairman shall be replaced with the word Chair. > > === END GR TEXT === seconded -- Bernd Zeimetz

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 03:27:56PM +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote: > I'm therefore proposing the following General Resolution: > > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution > > All appearances of the word Chairman shall be replaced

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Margarita Manterola (2016-07-08): > The Debian Constitution is very well written, in a way that is almost > completely > ungendered. The only gendered word left is the Chairman of the Technical > Committee. There is no reason for this position to be gendered. Ungendered >

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

also sprach Kurt Roeckx [2016-07-08 16:09 +0200]: > Would it make sense to either have this as separate option, > not modifying the Chainman or as seperate GR? I've been convinced last night that my amendment is not needed, so let's just leave it. -- .''`. martin f. krafft

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 03:27:56PM +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote: > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution > > All appearances of the word Chairman shall be replaced with the word Chair. > > === END GR TEXT === Seconded. Neil

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

El 08/07/16 a las 15:27, Margarita Manterola escribió: ... > > I'm therefore proposing the following General Resolution: > > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution > > All appearances of the word Chairman shall be replaced with the

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Am Freitag, den 08.07.2016, 15:27 +0200 schrieb Margarita Manterola: > The Debian Constitution is very well written, in a way that is almost > completely > ungendered.  The only gendered word left is the Chairman of the > Technical > Committee.  There is no reason for this position to be gendered.

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Margarita Manterola writes ("GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution"): > > The Debian Constitution is very well written, in a way that is > almost completely u

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

martin f krafft dijo [Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 03:58:34PM +0200]: > I would like to propose the following amendment to Marga's GR: > > In addition to the proposed change, the project shall vote to > empower the DPL together with the Project Secretary to make minor > editorial changes in our

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On Fri, 08 Jul 2016 15:27:56 +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote: > I'm therefore proposing the following General Resolution: > > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution > > All appearances of the word Chairman shall be replaced with the

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 03:27:56PM +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote: > > The Debian Constitution is very well written, in a way that is almost > completely > ungendered. The only gendered word left is the Chairman of the Technical > Committee. There is no reason for this position to be

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Margarita Manterola writes: > I'm therefore proposing the following General Resolution: Seconded. Bdale signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

martin f krafft writes: > In addition to the proposed change, the project shall vote to > empower the DPL together with the Project Secretary to make minor > editorial changes in our foundation documents without requiring > the process of a GR. > > To protect our foundations,

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Margarita Manterola writes: > The Debian Constitution is very well written, in a way that is almost > completely > ungendered. The only gendered word left is the Chairman of the Technical > Committee. There is no reason for this position to be gendered. Ungendered >

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Margarita Manterola: > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution > > All appearances of the word Chairman shall be replaced with the word Chair. > > === END GR TEXT === Seconded. -- Lunar.''`.

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On 08/07/2016 15:27, Margarita Manterola wrote: > > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution > > All appearances of the word Chairman shall be replaced with the word Chair. > > === END GR TEXT === > Seconded. -- Mehdi

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 03:27:56PM +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote: > I'm therefore proposing the following General Resolution: > > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution > > All appearances of the word Chairman shall be replaced

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

> > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution > > All appearances of the word Chairman shall be replaced with the word Chair. > > === END GR TEXT === Seconded. signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 03:58:34PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > I would like to propose the following amendment to Marga's GR: > > In addition to the proposed change, the project shall vote to > empower the DPL together with the Project Secretary to make minor > editorial changes in our

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 03:27:56PM +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote: > >I'm therefore proposing the following General Resolution: > >=== BEGIN GR TEXT === > >Title: Replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution > >All appearances of the word Chairman shall be replaced with the

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 03:58:34PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > I would like to propose the following amendment to Marga's GR: > > In addition to the proposed change, the project shall vote to > empower the DPL together with the Project Secretary to make minor > editorial changes in our

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Le vendredi, 8 juillet 2016, 15.27:56 Margarita Manterola a écrit : > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian > Constitution > > All appearances of the word Chairman shall be replaced with the word > Chair. > > === END GR TEXT === Seconded;

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 03:27:56PM +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote: > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution > > All appearances of the word Chairman shall be replaced with the word Chair. > > === END GR TEXT === Seconded. -- Luca

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 03:27:56PM +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote: > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution > > All appearances of the word Chairman shall be replaced with the word Chair. > > === END GR TEXT === This proposal has

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

* Margarita Manterola [2016-07-08 15:27:56 +0200]: > > The Debian Constitution is very well written, in a way that is almost > completely > ungendered. The only gendered word left is the Chairman of the Technical > Committee. There is no reason for this position to be

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 03:27:56PM +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote: > > The Debian Constitution is very well written, in a way that is almost > completely > ungendered. The only gendered word left is the Chairman of the Technical > Committee. There is no reason for this position to be

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Margarita Manterola writes: > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution > > All appearances of the word Chairman shall be replaced with the word Chair. > > === END GR TEXT === Seconded. -- -keith signature.asc

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 03:27:56PM +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote: > > The Debian Constitution is very well written, in a way that is almost > completely > ungendered. The only gendered word left is the Chairman of the Technical > Committee. There is no reason for this position to be

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

I would like to propose the following amendment to Marga's GR: In addition to the proposed change, the project shall vote to empower the DPL together with the Project Secretary to make minor editorial changes in our foundation documents without requiring the process of a GR. To protect our

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Margarita Manterola dijo [Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 03:27:56PM +0200]: > I'm therefore proposing the following General Resolution: > > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution > > All appearances of the word Chairman shall be replaced with

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

Seconded. On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 03:27:56PM +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote: > > The Debian Constitution is very well written, in a way that is almost > completely > ungendered. The only gendered word left is the Chairman of the Technical > Committee. There is no reason for this position to

GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

The Debian Constitution is very well written, in a way that is almost completely ungendered. The only gendered word left is the Chairman of the Technical Committee. There is no reason for this position to be gendered. Ungendered alternatives for Chairman are Chair and Chairperson. While both