Re: OT: Re: debian-women obscurity, was: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op ma, 07-03-2005 te 02:09 +, schreef MJ Ray: Arguing in favour of so-called positive discrimination is just another case of ignoring present crimes by past-persecuted people. I cannot agree more with that statement; positive discrimination is just discrimination like anything else, and

Re: OT: Re: debian-women obscurity, was: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-07 Thread MJ Ray
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] They're trying to find out why women aren't as actively involved in Debian as are men, so that they can remedy any problems, should those arise. I support them doing that. In doing so, it isn't unreasonable to see what women currently involved

Re: OT: Re: debian-women obscurity, was: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-06 Thread MJ Ray
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You haven't said anything sexist about it, except that it has a clear purpose. I have, IMO. I consider discrimination on the basis of sex to be sexism. I've also described an incident of unchallenged racism on the debian-women list. While I believe

Re: OT: Re: debian-women obscurity, was: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-06 Thread Ben Burton
You haven't said anything sexist about it, except that it has a clear purpose. I have, IMO. I consider discrimination on the basis of sex to be sexism. i.e., you favour the law of the jungle. Which, may I say, has a fine history of maintaining artificial imbalances caused by past

Re: OT: Re: debian-women obscurity, was: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-06 Thread MJ Ray
Ben Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have, IMO. I consider discrimination on the basis of sex to be sexism. i.e., you favour the law of the jungle. Which, may I say, has a fine history of maintaining artificial imbalances caused by past injustices. No, I favour stopping discrimination and

Re: OT: Re: debian-women obscurity, was: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-06 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 02:09:26AM +, MJ Ray wrote: Ben Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have, IMO. I consider discrimination on the basis of sex to be sexism. i.e., you favour the law of the jungle. Which, may I say, has a fine history of maintaining artificial imbalances caused by

Re: OT: Re: debian-women obscurity, was: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-06 Thread MJ Ray
Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 02:09:26AM +, MJ Ray wrote: Arguing in favour of so-called positive discrimination is just another case of ignoring present crimes by past-persecuted people. We have to learn from the past and overcome mistakes, not relive

Re: OT: Re: debian-women obscurity, was: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-05 Thread MJ Ray
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is a women-only web page? A page about people that only admits contributions from women. Where is the list charter for debian-women women-only? Being about or by women are the only topicality criteria for debian-women, last I saw. -- To

Re: OT: Re: debian-women obscurity, was: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-05 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is a women-only web page? A page about people that only admits contributions from women. What's the URL, please? Where is the list charter for debian-women women-only? Being about or by women are the

Re: OT: Re: debian-women obscurity, was: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-05 Thread Ean Schuessler
Is it possible to just chill out on the chicks? Can't the girls brave enough to wade into our computerized backwater have a little something of their own without all this trouble? The very few women in Debian put up a page that lists those women and men aren't listed on it because it is a

Re: OT: Re: debian-women obscurity, was: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-05 Thread MJ Ray
Ean Schuessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to just chill out on the chicks? [...] It's just an example of some general problems (and not one I raised). Would you have a problem with blind Debianers creating such a list? Nazis or terrorists sure, but ladies!?! [...] For at least

Re: OT: Re: debian-women obscurity, was: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-05 Thread MJ Ray
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once again, your complaint is about a topic restriction, not a restriction on who is allowed to address that topic. Cool, so declaring all discussions and collaboration involving women off-topic for debian-www would be fine with you? -- To

Re: OT: Re: debian-women obscurity, was: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-05 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 12:55:49AM +, MJ Ray wrote: Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A page about people that only admits contributions from women. What's the URL, please? http://women.alioth.debian.org/profiles/ I have a page that only

Re: OT: Re: debian-women obscurity, was: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-05 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once again, your complaint is about a topic restriction, not a restriction on who is allowed to address that topic. Cool, so declaring all discussions and collaboration involving women off-topic for debian-www

OT: Re: debian-women obscurity, was: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-04 Thread Helen Faulkner
Sorry, this is definitely OT for -vote. But I wanted to clarify the follwing comment, which has been made repeatedly on this thread, incase anyone is actually wondering about it. MJ Ray wrote: I think it's a problem that most of the points under how to avoid being sexist haven't actually been

Re: OT: Re: debian-women obscurity, was: Clarification about krooger's platform

2005-03-04 Thread MJ Ray
Helen Faulkner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are four points. Of those, three are being done already, namely ^^ the first [1],[2] third [3][4][5] and fourth [6]. There are many other such references on the Debian Women webpages and