Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-04-02 Thread Ian Jackson
Lucas Nussbaum writes ("Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue"): > So in my original mail, I proposed that new packages would get > immediately accepted into unstable, but would still require a review > before migrating to testing. I believe that it's an interesting compromi

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-29 Thread Sruthi Chandran
On 26/03/20 1:03 pm, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Hi, > > For as long as I can remember, there has been complaints about the > delays caused by NEW processing (and > https://ftp-master.debian.org/stat.html shows that we constantly have > 250-300 packages waiting to be processed). > > What is your diagno

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-28 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 09:50:41AM +, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 23:06:55 +, Holger Levsen wrote: > > another option would be 'unstable-proposed' (or whatever) where packages get > > uploaded to, and which only gets moved to 'unstable' if they don't fail > > piuparts, >

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-28 Thread Simon McVittie
On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 23:06:55 +, Holger Levsen wrote: > another option would be 'unstable-proposed' (or whatever) where packages get > uploaded to, and which only gets moved to 'unstable' if they don't fail > piuparts, > autopkgtests (plain build tests) and so forth... Do you mean this to b

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-27 Thread Holger Levsen
hi, another option would be 'unstable-proposed' (or whatever) where packages get uploaded to, and which only gets moved to 'unstable' if they don't fail piuparts, autopkgtests (plain build tests) and so forth... humans shouldn't look at stuff robots don't wanna see. -- cheers, Holger

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-27 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 27/03/20 at 08:18 -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > Hello, > > On Fri 27 Mar 2020 at 09:39AM +01, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: > > > My point was to ask if there are any points in this list that could be > > harmful in the scenario proposed by Lucas. > > We try to stop packages of sufficiently low quality

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-27 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello Martin, On Fri 27 Mar 2020 at 12:23PM +01, Martin Pitt wrote: > At least during my many years of Ubuntu archive administration I've actually > seen quite a lot of packages which contained non-distributable files, had > hilariously broken maintainer scripts (which could then also damage *oth

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-27 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Fri 27 Mar 2020 at 09:39AM +01, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: > My point was to ask if there are any points in this list that could be > harmful in the scenario proposed by Lucas. We try to stop packages of sufficiently low quality entering the archive at all, so that other contributors don't ha

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-27 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, March 27, 2020 9:37:28 AM EDT Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 27/03/20 at 09:23 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Friday, March 27, 2020 8:40:11 AM EDT Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > On 27/03/20 at 12:23 +0100, Martin Pitt wrote: > > > > At least during my many years of Ubuntu archive adminis

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-27 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 27/03/20 at 09:23 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Friday, March 27, 2020 8:40:11 AM EDT Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > On 27/03/20 at 12:23 +0100, Martin Pitt wrote: > > > At least during my many years of Ubuntu archive administration I've > > > actually seen quite a lot of packages which containe

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-27 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, March 27, 2020 8:40:11 AM EDT Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 27/03/20 at 12:23 +0100, Martin Pitt wrote: > > At least during my many years of Ubuntu archive administration I've > > actually seen quite a lot of packages which contained non-distributable > > files, had hilariously broken maint

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-27 Thread Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
Jean-Philippe MENGUAL Le 27/03/2020 à 13:40, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : On 27/03/20 at 12:23 +0100, Martin Pitt wrote: At least during my many years of Ubuntu archive administration I've actually seen quite a lot of packages which contained non-distributable files, had hilariously broken maint

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-27 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 27/03/20 at 12:23 +0100, Martin Pitt wrote: > At least during my many years of Ubuntu archive administration I've actually > seen quite a lot of packages which contained non-distributable files, had > hilariously broken maintainer scripts (which could then also damage *other* > software on your

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-27 Thread Martin Pitt
Lucas Nussbaum [2020-03-26 14:58 +0100]: > - package is uploaded > - package gets accepted in unstable > - package gets reviewed, a bug is filed > - bug gets fixed > > Except that with (B), we avoid the wait in NEW. > > One important question is: how often does the FTP team run into a > package t

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-27 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Lucas On 2020/03/26 09:33, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > For as long as I can remember, there has been complaints about the > delays caused by NEW processing (and > https://ftp-master.debian.org/stat.html shows that we constantly have > 250-300 packages waiting to be processed). There was even a bri

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-27 Thread Xavier
Le 27/03/2020 à 10:03, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit : > Quoting Xavier (2020-03-27 09:38:54) >> Le 27/03/2020 à 09:22, Ulrike Uhlig a écrit : >>> Hi! >>> >>> On 26.03.20 15:05, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 26/03/20 at 14:42 +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > For the avoidance of doubt, I wrote none o

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-27 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Xavier (2020-03-27 09:38:54) > Le 27/03/2020 à 09:22, Ulrike Uhlig a écrit : > > Hi! > > > > On 26.03.20 15:05, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > >> On 26/03/20 at 14:42 +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: For the avoidance of doubt, I wrote none of below quoted text. > >> A/ > >> - package is uploaded

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-27 Thread Xavier
Le 27/03/2020 à 09:22, Ulrike Uhlig a écrit : > Hi! > > On 26.03.20 15:05, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: >> On 26/03/20 at 14:42 +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >> A/ >> - package is uploaded >> - package waits in NEW >> - package gets reviewed, gets accepted in unstable with a bug filed >> - bug gets f

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-27 Thread Ulrike Uhlig
Hi, On 27.03.20 09:32, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Ulrike Uhlig (2020-03-27 09:22:46) >> Another question is: what other things are reviewed by the FTP team? >> Like, is there some sort of basic security review, are there packages >> that are not appropriate to be uploaded to the archive f

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-27 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Ulrike Uhlig (2020-03-27 09:22:46) > Another question is: what other things are reviewed by the FTP team? > Like, is there some sort of basic security review, are there packages > that are not appropriate to be uploaded to the archive for some reason > or another? And then this would not

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-27 Thread Ulrike Uhlig
Hi! On 26.03.20 15:05, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 26/03/20 at 14:42 +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > A/ > - package is uploaded > - package waits in NEW > - package gets reviewed, gets accepted in unstable with a bug filed > - bug gets fixed > > B/ > - package is uploaded > - package gets accept

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-26 Thread Brian Gupta
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 3:34 AM Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > Hi, > > For as long as I can remember, there has been complaints about the > delays caused by NEW processing (and > https://ftp-master.debian.org/stat.html shows that we constantly have > 250-300 packages waiting to be processed). > > Wha

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-26 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 10:03:16AM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > Hello Roberto, > > On Thu 26 Mar 2020 at 09:51AM -04, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > > Good point. The most recent experience I had with this was a package I > > uploaded in February 2019. The FTP team rejection came on 4th January

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-26 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello Roberto, On Thu 26 Mar 2020 at 09:51AM -04, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > Good point. The most recent experience I had with this was a package I > uploaded in February 2019. The FTP team rejection came on 4th January > 2020, my requests for additional clarification were made within 24 hours

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-26 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 26/03/20 at 14:42 +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Roberto C. Sánchez (2020-03-26 14:28:47) > > That said, I have never had a package rejected for reasons that would > > outright keep it from entering Debian. Each package I have had > > rejected could have as easily been accepted into

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-26 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 02:42:34PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Roberto C. Sánchez (2020-03-26 14:28:47) > > That said, I have never had a package rejected for reasons that would > > outright keep it from entering Debian. Each package I have had > > rejected could have as easily been

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-26 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Roberto C. Sánchez (2020-03-26 14:28:47) > That said, I have never had a package rejected for reasons that would > outright keep it from entering Debian. Each package I have had > rejected could have as easily been accepted into unstable and then > fixed after the fact to address whatev

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-26 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 09:49:41AM -0300, Gabriel F. T. Gomes wrote: > Hi, Lucas, > > On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > > What solutions do you envision about this issue? Is that just something > > that we have to live with? > > The FTP Team has very recently made a call for volunt

Re: Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-26 Thread Gabriel F. T. Gomes
Hi, Lucas, On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > What solutions do you envision about this issue? Is that just something > that we have to live with? The FTP Team has very recently made a call for volunteers [1], so perhaps they already have some plans?... [1] https://lists.debian.org/d

Q to all candidates: NEW queue

2020-03-26 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, For as long as I can remember, there has been complaints about the delays caused by NEW processing (and https://ftp-master.debian.org/stat.html shows that we constantly have 250-300 packages waiting to be processed). What is your diagnostic of this issue? What solutions do you envision about