Hi all,
the question of the core infrastructures is difficult and very important.
Le Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:30:39AM +0100, Marc Haber a écrit :
>
> Do you see the diminishing care for our Core infrastructure as a
> problem? Do you have any idea how do sensibilize our new blood for the
> fact th
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 12:01:14PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> Nobody can do a sponsored upload, except a DD. Nobody can do an NMU,
> except a DD. Nobody can maintain a buildd host, except a DD.
It was pointed out to me on IRC that yes, there are sponsored NMUs, and
that it therefore is 'stran
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:56:58PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Wouter Verhelst dijo [Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:45:33AM +0100]:
> > The numbers are easy. The amount of Debian Developers has been
> > approximately steady at about 1000 for the past ten years. Over that
> > same time, the amount of packa
Stefano Zacchiroli dijo [Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:59:39PM +0100]:
> FWIW, the total number of DDs is not a particularly good indicator of
> the work force we have in Debian. Until recently, with the introduction
> of (periodic) WAT runs, the number of DDs was just meant to go up and
> up, given that
Wouter Verhelst dijo [Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:45:33AM +0100]:
> The numbers are easy. The amount of Debian Developers has been
> approximately steady at about 1000 for the past ten years. Over that
> same time, the amount of packages in our distribution has been steadily
> increasing. By definition
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:59:39PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:14:18PM +0100, Toni Mueller wrote:
> > > the number of DDs has not been going up for quite a while now.
> > If it hasn't declined very much, that'd be a good thing already.
>
> FWIW, the total number o
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:14:18PM +0100, Toni Mueller wrote:
> > the number of DDs has not been going up for quite a while now.
> If it hasn't declined very much, that'd be a good thing already.
FWIW, the total number of DDs is not a particularly good indicator of
the work force we have in Debian
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:35:51PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:45:33AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > Given the above, I believe the most important task ahead of us is making
> > Debian more attractive for users and prospective contributors; that is
> > what I
On Tue, 16.03.2010 at 01:45:33 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> increasing. By definition, that means the ratio of Debian Developers per
> package has been doing down, and thus also that the core infrastructure
> has less contributors. Having more packages does not necessarily mean
> that only fri
Hi,
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:45:33AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> Given the above, I believe the most important task ahead of us is making
> Debian more attractive for users and prospective contributors; that is
> what I intend to work on.
How do you intend to work on this?
Greetings
Marc
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:30:39AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> This is for all candidates.
>
> In the last years I have seen a really disturbing development in
> Debian: New developers are very interested in bringing new packages
> into Debian, but care for our core infrastructure (dpkg, apt) has a
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:04:57AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Marc Haber (15/03/2010):
> > Maybe we failed to provide such a "two-liner", which in fact is,
> > unfortunately, much more complicated than one might think naively.
> > Additionally, example code for policy-rc.d is (almost?) nonexi
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:04:57AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Marc Haber (15/03/2010):
> > Maybe we failed to provide such a "two-liner", which in fact is,
> > unfortunately, much more complicated than one might think naively.
> > Additionally, example code for policy-rc.d is (almost?) nonexi
Marc Haber (15/03/2010):
> Maybe we failed to provide such a "two-liner", which in fact is,
> unfortunately, much more complicated than one might think naively.
> Additionally, example code for policy-rc.d is (almost?) nonexistent.
Maybe running reportbug would be more efficient than talking abou
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 03:45:46PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Marc Haber wrote:
> > - The concept of "all services are immediately started after
> > configuration" and "deleting all stop/start links will cause the
> > package's defaults to be re-established on the next package update"
> >
Marc Haber wrote:
> - dpkg still uses normal console prompting for dpkg-conffile
> handling, while debconf has been mandatory for regular packages for
> years now.
Dpkg has more active development now than it has for much of the
past fifteen years. And they've even talked some about impl
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:30:39AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> Do you see the diminishing care for our Core infrastructure as a
> problem? Do you have any idea how do sensibilize our new blood for the
> fact that "new packages" doesn't help Debian if our Core stuff is
> diminishing? I know that this
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
> Do you see the diminishing care for our Core infrastructure as a
> problem? Do you have any idea how do sensibilize our new blood for the
> fact that "new packages" doesn't help Debian if our Core stuff is
> diminishing? I know that this is not
Le lundi 15 mars 2010 à 12:54 +0100, Marc Haber a écrit :
> Agreed. Any more additions by others?
Core packages: glibc, kernel, X.org, Mozilla, KDE, GNOME…
These are the packages everything else is built upon, yet people are
more interested in adding yet another implementation of existing
functio
Hi!
Marc Haber schrieb:
>> - Debian Installer development
>> - Porting: several ports are struggling
>> - Documentation maintenance:
>> - website
>> - Release Notes
>> - various other guides
> Agreed. Any more additions by others?
ftp-team and more or less everything PR related.
Best re
Hi,
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:52:44PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
> IMO it's worth adding to that:
> - Debian Installer development
> - Porting: several ports are struggling
> - Documentation maintenance:
> - website
> - Release Notes
> - various other guides
Agreed. Any more additions by othe
Marc Haber wrote:
> In the last years I have seen a really disturbing development in
> Debian: New developers are very interested in bringing new packages
> into Debian, but care for our core infrastructure (dpkg, apt) has a
> little bit diminished.
Good question and quite true.
IMO it's worth ad
This is for all candidates.
In the last years I have seen a really disturbing development in
Debian: New developers are very interested in bringing new packages
into Debian, but care for our core infrastructure (dpkg, apt) has a
little bit diminished. I am not saying that noone seems to care, but
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