Re: Printing from Linux (was: Re: Nuance Regarding RMS)

2021-04-04 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
I certainly did not mean to disparage the efforts of the people working on the Debian printing software, who have really raised the bar. It's great that printers usually "just work", that they're automatically sniffed off the net, etc. Every time I print a page I remember the bad old days and am th

Printing from Linux (was: Re: Nuance Regarding RMS)

2021-04-04 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
I'm well aware the discussion period is over, but I can't let that one pass, so bear with me. Le vendredi, 2 avril 2021, 18.19:02 h CEST Barak A. Pearlmutter a écrit : > Fifty years ago a laserprinter didn't work right because of some > software issue and he couldn't fix it because the software i

Re: Nuance Regarding RMS

2021-04-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
b...@debian.org wrote: >I can personally vouch for the fact that RMS can be very difficult. He Thank you for this contribute. -- ciao, Marco

Re: Nuance Regarding RMS

2021-04-02 Thread Sruthi Chandran
On April 1, 2021 4:21:59 PM GMT+05:30, "Barak A. Pearlmutter" wrote: >He makes unwelcome sexual >overtures to women, but backs off when turned down (with perhaps >isolated exceptions decades ago). That's totally inappropriate >behaviour. He seems unable to sense when someone finds him repelle

Re: Nuance Regarding RMS

2021-04-02 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le vendredi 02 avril 2021 à 17:47:08+0300, Adrian Bunk a écrit : > Hi Barak, > > thanks a lot for this nuanced view. > > On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 11:51:59AM +0100, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > >... > > He’s remarkably stubborn in technical matters even when outside his > > domain of expertise an

Re: Nuance Regarding RMS

2021-04-02 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
Adrian Bunk wrote: > The traits that make RMS appear awkward are the same that made him > create the GNU project and the FSF, and without RMS being the way he > is Debian would not exist. Yes! RMS is one stubborn guy. Fifty years ago a laserprinter didn't work right because of some software is

Re: Nuance Regarding RMS

2021-04-02 Thread Adrian Bunk
Hi Barak, thanks a lot for this nuanced view. On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 11:51:59AM +0100, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: >... > He’s remarkably stubborn in technical matters even when outside his > domain of expertise and completely wrong. >... The traits that make RMS appear awkward are the same th

Re: Nuance Regarding RMS

2021-04-02 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 11:20:03PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: >... > The open letter does not state that RMS should be ejected from the free > software movement in general, or from the FSF specifically. Were that > the case, I would agree with you that it was wrong. Instead, it merely > states t

Re: Nuance Regarding RMS

2021-04-01 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 4/1/21 11:20 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > The open letter does not state that RMS should be ejected from the free > software movement in general, or from the FSF specifically. Were that > the case, I would agree with you that it was wrong. Instead, it merely > states that he should be removed fr

Re: Nuance Regarding RMS

2021-04-01 Thread Pasha
On Thu, 2021-04-01 at 11:51 +0100, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > I can personally vouch for the fact that RMS can be very difficult. > He > takes social awkwardness to new heights. He’s remarkably stubborn in > technical matters even when outside his domain of expertise and > completely wrong. He i

Re: Nuance Regarding RMS

2021-04-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Barak, On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 11:51:59AM +0100, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: [...] > I'm not sure he'd be an ideal board member, but that’s a practical > rather than ethical consideration, and surely best left to the > judgement of the individual organization. > > What’s problematic to me abou

Re: Nuance Regarding RMS

2021-04-01 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-04-01 at 15:06, Milan Zamazal wrote: >> "JS" == Jonas Smedegaard writes: > > JS> Question is, this being a process to compose a ballot for a > JS> vote: How to transform those observations into a text for the > JS> ballot? Or if that is absurd, how else to proceed (other

Re: Nuance Regarding RMS

2021-04-01 Thread Milan Zamazal
> "JS" == Jonas Smedegaard writes: JS> Question is, this being a process to compose a ballot for a JS> vote: How to transform those observations into a text for the JS> ballot? Or if that is absurd, how else to proceed (other than JS> shrug and let the boting process continue

Re: Nuance Regarding RMS

2021-04-01 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 11:51:59+0100, Barak A. Pearlmutter a écrit : > I can personally vouch for the fact that RMS can be very difficult. He > takes social awkwardness to new heights. He’s remarkably stubborn in > technical matters even when outside his domain of expertise and > completely wrong

Re: Nuance Regarding RMS

2021-04-01 Thread Filippo Rusconi
Greetings, Debianites, On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 11:51:59AM +0100, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: I can personally vouch for the fact that RMS can be very difficult. He takes social awkwardness to new heights. He’s remarkably stubborn in technical matters even when outside his domain of expertise and

Re: Nuance Regarding RMS

2021-04-01 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Barak A. Pearlmutter (2021-04-01 12:51:59) > I can personally vouch for the fact that RMS can be very difficult. He > takes social awkwardness to new heights. He’s remarkably stubborn in > technical matters even when outside his domain of expertise and > completely wrong. He is not a fun ho