- "Anthony Towns" wrote:
> I consider being able to easily install Debian and get it running on
> whatever random hardware I buy an essential freedom, so I see most of
> this as people trying to take away my freedoms. Obviously, your mileage
> varies, but that doesn't make either of us popul
Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho dijo [Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:51:39PM +0200]:
> On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 01:43:44PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > Politics is the art of making people who disagree with you look stupid
> > and immoral.
>
> Politics is, in my experience, the art of finding the compromise tha
Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 09:54:08AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > I did not mean this to be argumentative. A rhetorical flourish,
> > yes. The quote is from a US politicial, and the analogy between the
> > constitutions and bill of rights was amusing.
>
> Uh,
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 01:43:44PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Politics is the art of making people who disagree with you look stupid
> and immoral.
Politics is, in my experience, the art of finding the compromise that both you
and the people who disagree with you can live with (usually both con
On Fri, Dec 19 2008, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 09:54:08AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> On Fri, Dec 19 2008, Anthony Towns wrote:
>> >> I tend to come down hard on the side of not compromising my
>> >> principles for temporary convenience or popularity (or, if you
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 09:54:08AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 19 2008, Anthony Towns wrote:
> >> I tend to come down hard on the side of not compromising my
> >> principles for temporary convenience or popularity (or, if you will,
> >> market share).
> >> To para
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 05:00:59PM +, Ian Lynagh wrote:
> "We need some time to solve the problems that are in main" the first
> time round I can live with, but uploading new instances of the same
> problems to main,
I think this is a strawman that doesn't correspond either to what has
actual
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 05:28:20PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>
> In short, the ongoing GR isn’t about this disagreement, for which a
> suitable compromise already exists; it is about imposing more
> restrictions on the stable release than on the unstable suite.
I do not know about anyone els
Le vendredi 19 décembre 2008 à 12:36 +0100, Marc Haber a écrit :
> This is something we need to agree to disagree on. There are people
> who still focus on "The Universal Operating System", and who are
> willing to make compromises in freedom without being willing to make a
> totally non-free OS.
On Fri, Dec 19 2008, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 08:12:28AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
>> Putting an USB key into most of my servers requires some hours of
>> driving and jumping through security hoops to get datacenter access.
>> [...]
>> I'd prefer an OS which allows full remote
Hi,
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:36:54PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 01:50:40AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > To paraphrase: Those who give up essential freedoms for
> > temporary convenience and popularity deserve neither.
> This is something we need to agree
Didier Raboud wrote:
> Providing a guaranteed (as much of Debian's knowledge) free Linux kernel
> and installer in main would be really fulfilling Debian's promises. This
> does not necessarily exclude providing a "contaminated" installer and/or
> kernel in contrib (or elsewhere).
I just forgot s
Mike O'Connor wrote:
>
> If we make users have to decide between the "100% free installer" and
> the "installer with non-free", and it makes the user have to think about
> "what is this non-free stuff, and why should I care". I think it is an
> added side benefit. If a user at some point decides
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 02:44:46PM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
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> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > I suspect it would not be hard to create a non-free installer CD
> > that obviates the requirement of a separate USB key for remote
> > i
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Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> I suspect it would not be hard to create a non-free installer CD
> that obviates the requirement of a separate USB key for remote
> installs.
If (almost?) everyone will use non-free stuff anyway, why not just make
l
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 08:12:28AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> Putting an USB key into most of my servers requires some hours of
> driving and jumping through security hoops to get datacenter access.
> [...]
> I'd prefer an OS which allows full remote installation that does not
> need some kind of p
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 01:50:40AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Let us face it: there are always going to be bits of hardware
> that can not be supported with free software; users might always have
> to deal with either refraining from buying such hardware (which is not
> always feas
On Fri, Dec 19 2008, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:09:55AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> For what it is worth, at work we had to install Lenny on
>> machines which have the broadcom netextreme 2 ethernet cards (bnx2
>> firmware needed). The netinst installer worked w
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:09:55AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> For what it is worth, at work we had to install Lenny on
> machines which have the broadcom netextreme 2 ethernet cards (bnx2
> firmware needed). The netinst installer worked wonderfully, grabbing
> the firmware from a u
On Thu, Dec 18 2008, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Hello world,
>
> I'd like to briefly suggest a different perspective on the issues at hand.
> Rather than looking at whether this will delay lenny or not, it might be
> more useful to just take a step back and work out what our principles are.
> FWIW, I
Hello world,
I'd like to briefly suggest a different perspective on the issues at hand.
Rather than looking at whether this will delay lenny or not, it might be
more useful to just take a step back and work out what our principles are.
FWIW, I think what should be done about lenny follows pretty o
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