late for party (was Re: Proposal: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware)

2006-08-24 Thread ldoolitt
Hi - Sorry I'm late for the party. I'm on travel, with less than ideal 'net connections. Reading 147 messages on d-v over a hotel's erratic wireless link was not fun. Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote in http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2006/08/msg00117.html > None of the trolls demanding the removal

Re: late for party (was Re: Proposal: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware)

2006-08-24 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 09:56:49PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Sven Luther wrote in > http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2006/08/msg00125.html > > I would indeed vote for a solution including a non-free hardware, > > or even better an additional CD, which contained a non-free > > version of

Re: late for party (was Re: Proposal: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware)

2006-08-25 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >My understanding is that upstream has not been entirely receptive >to patches that remove non-free firmware from it. Maybe that's >because they don't have an established firmware-nonfree project >(like Debian does) into which to move that firmware? No, it's because they

Re: late for party (was Re: Proposal: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware)

2006-08-25 Thread MJ Ray
Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted from wonderland.linux.it: > No, it's because they really do not believe this to be a problem, like > everybody else but a few people polluting debian-legal. I note that several of those supporting the current source code requirement for main don't post much

Re: late for party (was Re: Proposal: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware)

2006-08-25 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Searching OpenBSD mailing list archives for mails matching both keywords >firmware and source found nothing. Are you sure it's in there? Well, probably there is a reason if you have not found anything by looking for "source"... With a two minutes google search of "de Raa

Re: late for party (was Re: Proposal: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware)

2006-08-27 Thread ldoolitt
Kurt Roeckx wrote in http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2006/08/msg00205.htm > I'm not sure about those 46 that already use request_firmware() I see no reason to take them out. I listed them as a measure of success, at least with recently added drivers. > It would be interestig to know if any o

Re: late for party (was Re: Proposal: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware)

2006-08-28 Thread MJ Ray
Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [...] "de Raadt firmware" I have found: > http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/10/29/1098992287663.html > And http://kerneltrap.org/node/6550: Thanks. (Neither were in the OpenBSD list archives...) -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only: see http://people.debian.org/~mj

Re: late for party (was Re: Proposal: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware)

2006-08-28 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky
On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 11:42:19AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > >> > I think we should learn from OpenBSD on this front. > >> I agree. Indeed, the OpenBSD project not only distributes > >> sourceless firmwares, but also sourceless firmwares with a > >> license which forbids modifications and rever