On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:48:03AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
> Jonathan Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > A diverse group is one where the members don't share a common vision
> > and perceptual apparatus.
>
> What is a "perceptual apparatus"? The only thing that comes to mind
>
On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:48:03AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
> Jonathan Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > A diverse group is one where the members don't share a common vision
> > and perceptual apparatus.
>
> What is a "perceptual apparatus"? The only thing that comes to mind
>
On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 03:29:47PM -0800, mbc wrote:
> No, formal consensus usually has the following steps:
>
> - broad discussion of the issue at hand
> - once the discussion moves toward a solution, someone makes a proposal
> - the facilitator calls for consensus, and asks for questions and con
No, formal consensus usually has the following steps:
- broad discussion of the issue at hand
- once the discussion moves toward a solution, someone makes a proposal
- the facilitator calls for consensus, and asks for questions and concerns
- if there are strong concerns, the proposal goes back t
On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 03:29:47PM -0800, mbc wrote:
> No, formal consensus usually has the following steps:
>
> - broad discussion of the issue at hand
> - once the discussion moves toward a solution, someone makes a proposal
> - the facilitator calls for consensus, and asks for questions and con
No, formal consensus usually has the following steps:
- broad discussion of the issue at hand
- once the discussion moves toward a solution, someone makes a proposal
- the facilitator calls for consensus, and asks for questions and concerns
- if there are strong concerns, the proposal goes back to
Jonathan Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> A diverse group is one where the members don't share a common vision
> and perceptual apparatus.
What is a "perceptual apparatus"? The only thing that comes to mind
are my sense organs, and telescopes.
On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 02:13:47PM +0200, Dmitry Borodaenko wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 10:32:09AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > > >Ah, consensus doesn't require voting?
> > > Not in the sense that democrats are used to. But it does involve
> > > canvassing and finding out everyones posit
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 10:56:13AM -0800, mbc wrote:
> Preface: I'm honestly hoping that this email wil spur some constructive
> discussion...
This subject is off-topic for debian-policy, which deals (almost)
exclusively with technical policy, not organizational processes.
debian-project is the
Jonathan Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> A diverse group is one where the members don't share a common vision
> and perceptual apparatus.
What is a "perceptual apparatus"? The only thing that comes to mind
are my sense organs, and telescopes.
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On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 02:13:47PM +0200, Dmitry Borodaenko wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 10:32:09AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > > >Ah, consensus doesn't require voting?
> > > Not in the sense that democrats are used to. But it does involve
> > > canvassing and finding out everyones posit
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 10:56:13AM -0800, mbc wrote:
> Preface: I'm honestly hoping that this email wil spur some constructive
> discussion...
This subject is off-topic for debian-policy, which deals (almost)
exclusively with technical policy, not organizational processes.
debian-project is the
On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 10:32:09AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > >Ah, consensus doesn't require voting?
> > Not in the sense that democrats are used to. But it does involve
> > canvassing and finding out everyones position on a matter.
> Yeah, and eventually asking everyone "can we agree on th
On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 10:32:09AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > >Ah, consensus doesn't require voting?
> > Not in the sense that democrats are used to. But it does involve
> > canvassing and finding out everyones position on a matter.
> Yeah, and eventually asking everyone "can we agree on th
On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 01:11:35AM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 07:12:36AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> >On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:49:52PM -0800, mbc wrote:
> >>I think that consensus is a more democratic method of decision making.
> >Ah, consensus doesn't require v
On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 07:12:36AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:49:52PM -0800, mbc wrote:
I think that consensus is a more democratic method of decision making.
Ah, consensus doesn't require voting?
Not in the sense that democrats are used to. But it does involve
On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 01:11:35AM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 07:12:36AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> >On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:49:52PM -0800, mbc wrote:
> >>I think that consensus is a more democratic method of decision making.
> >Ah, consensus doesn't require v
On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 07:12:36AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:49:52PM -0800, mbc wrote:
I think that consensus is a more democratic method of decision making.
Ah, consensus doesn't require voting?
Not in the sense that democrats are used to. But it does involve
canva
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:49:52PM -0800, mbc wrote:
> I think that consensus is a more democratic method of decision making.
Ah, consensus doesn't require voting?
Cool.
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On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:49:52PM -0800, mbc wrote:
> I think that consensus is a more democratic method of decision making.
Ah, consensus doesn't require voting?
Cool.
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mbc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The voting comment wasn't the main point of my post. I'm more trying
> to figure out what the role of a project leader is and why we need a
> single project leader.
Sure, but other people have taken up explaining why you seemed to be
misguided there too. I'm int
The voting comment wasn't the main point of my post. I'm more trying to
figure out what the role of a project leader is and why we need a single
project leader.
Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
mbc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I think that consensus is a more democratic method of decision
maki
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:49:52PM -0800, mbc wrote:
> consensus process, see http://consensus.net/ocaccontents.html
That's something like what we used to do most of the time, and it's still
what we mostly do. Realize that we do not use Parliamentary Procedure.
More generally, our decision makin
mbc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I think that consensus is a more democratic method of decision
> making. Although with a project our size, and distributed as ours, its
> probably just about impossible for us to use consensus.
So, then, um...what?
I think that consensus is a more democratic method of decision making.
Although with a project our size, and distributed as ours, its probably
just about impossible for us to use consensus. To read more about formal
consensus process, see http://consensus.net/ocaccontents.html
I imagine we cou
mbc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Personally, I don't believe in voting.
What does that mean? You don't believe voting happens? You would
rather have decisions made without voting?
mbc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The voting comment wasn't the main point of my post. I'm more trying
> to figure out what the role of a project leader is and why we need a
> single project leader.
Sure, but other people have taken up explaining why you seemed to be
misguided there too. I'm int
The voting comment wasn't the main point of my post. I'm more trying to
figure out what the role of a project leader is and why we need a single
project leader.
Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
mbc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I think that consensus is a more democratic method of decision
making.
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:49:52PM -0800, mbc wrote:
> consensus process, see http://consensus.net/ocaccontents.html
That's something like what we used to do most of the time, and it's still
what we mostly do. Realize that we do not use Parliamentary Procedure.
More generally, our decision makin
mbc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I think that consensus is a more democratic method of decision
> making. Although with a project our size, and distributed as ours, its
> probably just about impossible for us to use consensus.
So, then, um...what?
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I think that consensus is a more democratic method of decision making.
Although with a project our size, and distributed as ours, its probably
just about impossible for us to use consensus. To read more about formal
consensus process, see http://consensus.net/ocaccontents.html
I imagine we coul
mbc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Personally, I don't believe in voting.
What does that mean? You don't believe voting happens? You would
rather have decisions made without voting?
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On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 10:56:13AM -0800, mbc wrote:
> Feel free to email me off list if you think this is not relevant to
> the election.
The Debian Constitution: http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution
Give it a read if you haven't done so recently. Hopefully, it'll
explain things well enough
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 10:56:13AM -0800, mbc wrote:
> Personally, I don't believe in voting, and I don't believe that I have a
> need for some kind of Leader.
That's fine. Every DD can basically maintain his/her packges and improve
the distribution without ever having to worry about a leader or
Preface: I'm honestly hoping that this email wil spur some constructive
discussion...
Personally, I don't believe in voting, and I don't believe that I have a
need for some kind of Leader.
I know this this topic has come up before, but is Debian Project Leader
really the title that best desc
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 10:56:13AM -0800, mbc wrote:
> Feel free to email me off list if you think this is not relevant to
> the election.
The Debian Constitution: http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution
Give it a read if you haven't done so recently. Hopefully, it'll
explain things well enough
On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 10:56:13AM -0800, mbc wrote:
> Personally, I don't believe in voting, and I don't believe that I have a
> need for some kind of Leader.
That's fine. Every DD can basically maintain his/her packges and improve
the distribution without ever having to worry about a leader or
Preface: I'm honestly hoping that this email wil spur some constructive
discussion...
Personally, I don't believe in voting, and I don't believe that I have a
need for some kind of Leader.
I know this this topic has come up before, but is Debian Project Leader
really the title that best descri
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