discouraging discussion styles - any cure?

2012-03-13 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
Dear DPL candidates, it happens every now and then, people assume bad faith in mails from others and call their action silly and active tries to sabotage, and there are also people who fight for their right to behave like assholes and belittle scathingly against people that wish for a

Re: Finding sponsors for Debian

2012-03-13 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Montag, 12. März 2012, Arno Töll wrote: We sponsored both, Debian and DebConf in the past but my boss does not feel very comfortable to sponsor DebConfs because he's more interested to support actual Debian work as a distribution, as Debian is the system we rely upon for our business.

Re: Finding sponsors for Debian

2012-03-13 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:13:38AM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: But I've learned that we need to communicate this a whole lot better. Ideas how ... would be best directed to debian-project :) Neil -- A. Because it breaks the logical sequence of discussion Q. Why is top posting bad? gpg key -

Re: More votes in Debian? Any idea for improvement?

2012-03-13 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 04:19:44PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: To make this concrete, we had a spat of GRs to decide various technical and social issues in Debian some years back, and that practice has died out almost completely. I know I at least much prefer the current situation to when lots

Re: Gergely Nagy: enough packaging manpower?

2012-03-13 Thread Gergely Nagy
Ansgar Burchardt ans...@43-1.org writes: while reading algernon's platform I stumbled over the two sentences More packages, more packagers? A solved problem and Not raw, packaging manpower - with hundreds of people, we have that covered. How do you think about the current state of reviewing

Re: More votes in Debian? Any idea for improvement?

2012-03-13 Thread Gergely Nagy
Hi! Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes: If you see projects like Openstack or oVirt (sorry for the examples taken from my area of expertise...), they have elections every 6 months for project leaders in this or that area of the project. In Debian, we just elect a DPL, and then we hope

Re: Finding sponsors for Debian

2012-03-13 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Stefano, On Montag, 12. März 2012, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: (Note/reminder: we have resolved last year that DebConf budget is part of Debian budget, it is just earmarked differently for a time period centered around the conference.) IIRC you still need to reply to a mail I sent to leader@

Re: discouraging discussion styles - any cure?

2012-03-13 Thread Gergely Nagy
Hi! Gerfried Fuchs rho...@deb.at writes: it happens every now and then, people assume bad faith in mails from others and call their action silly and active tries to sabotage, and there are also people who fight for their right to behave like assholes and belittle scathingly against people

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-13 Thread Gergely Nagy
Raphael Geissert geiss...@debian.org writes: Reading zack's platform, it makes me wonder why would you (Gergely and Wouter) actually need to be elected as a DPL to do what you mention on your platforms. Because while Zack's regin as DPL for the past two years have been very successful, and

Re: Finding sponsors for Debian

2012-03-13 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:56:00PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: IIRC you still need to reply to a mail I sent to leader@ about this, where I question this or maybe parts of it :-) Let me summarize: I don't think so :-), but I might be wrong of course. Please prod me at leader@d.o if you confirm

Re: discouraging discussion styles - any cure?

2012-03-13 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 09:40:35AM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: Dear DPL candidates, it happens every now and then, people assume bad faith in mails from others and call their action silly and active tries to sabotage, Well, for starters, I think it's fairly hard to read emotions in

Re: Stefano Zacchiroli: What would you do different

2012-03-13 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 04:10:11PM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: you are 2 years DPL already. In your current platform you state in 1.2 why you want to stand for DPL an other year. Are there any areas within your current DPL work where you think you will do completly different to the

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-13 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 09:14:43AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Please don't send me personal copies of messages that are also going to the mailing list, as I haven't asked for that. Mail-Followup-To can help you with that, fwiw. [...] I know that there are a number of things that I want to do

Re: how informed should a DPL be?

2012-03-13 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 09:46:30PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: Recent threads have made me concerned about how well informed some of our current DPL nominees are about what is going on within Debian. My question to the candidates is similar to what I asked in 2010[1]: How well informed should

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-13 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
On 13Mar, 2012, at 17:18 , Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 09:14:43AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Please don't send me personal copies of messages that are also going to the mailing list, as I haven't asked for that. Mail-Followup-To can help you with that, fwiw. From the

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-13 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 05:23:50PM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: On 13Mar, 2012, at 17:18 , Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 09:14:43AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Please don't send me personal copies of messages that are also going to the mailing list, as I haven't asked for that.

Re: Finding sponsors for Debian

2012-03-13 Thread Gunnar Wolf
I'm redirecting this thread to d-project... You and I tend to think about money very much DebConf-wise (specially in the March-July period ;-) ), but I think this is going away from the current d-vote topic. Please reply to this message to d-project only. Holger Levsen dijo [Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at

Re: More votes in Debian? Any idea for improvement?

2012-03-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Anthony Towns a...@master.debian.org writes: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 04:19:44PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: To make this concrete, we had a spat of GRs to decide various technical and social issues in Debian some years back, and that practice has died out almost completely. I know I at least

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-13 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 05:00:12PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Also, I think the CoC is wrong in making policy about who to send replies to. Some people actually prefer getting replies, while others don't. Since there's a header that nicely allows you to specify just that, I think a more

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-13 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 04:18:30PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Can I be more specific than that? Probably, but I'd rather not do that. Yes, I could start picking up specific things that have happened during the past two years and start slinging mud about it in Stefano's general direction,

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-13 Thread Ben Finney
Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: I will try to be a DPL who will care a bit less about the letter of the constitution or the letter of the social contract, than about the people and the job that needs doing. Can I be more specific than that? Probably, but I'd rather not do that.

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2012-03-13 Thread Charles Plessy
Dear Wouter, Gergely and Stefano, one of the conditions for a work to be considered free is to allow others to use it without making contribution back to the original authors (even if we whish everybody would do when they can). In the non-free section of our archive, we therefore have software

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-13 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 04:46:14PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 05:00:12PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Also, I think the CoC is wrong in making policy about who to send replies to. Some people actually prefer getting replies, while others don't. Since there's a

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-13 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 07:33:06AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: I will try to be a DPL who will care a bit less about the letter of the constitution or the letter of the social contract, than about the people and the job that needs doing. Can I be

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: I honestly don't see what more I could tell you, without making up examples. I do *not* want to do that, because that will always be contrived and missing the point. I've told you several times now what I plan to do as DPL: I intend to copy the

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-13 Thread Ben Finney
Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 07:33:06AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: I will try to be a DPL who will care a bit less about the letter of the constitution or the letter of the social contract, than about the