Re: Why kdelibs4-dev and XFree86 4.3.0 don't play nice together (was: Re: xlibs-pic)

2003-06-05 Thread Branden Robinson
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Re: Why kdelibs4-dev and XFree86 4.3.0 don't play nice together (was: Re: xlibs-pic)

2003-06-04 Thread Chris Cheney
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 07:20:07PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: ... I downgraded xlibs and xbase-clients in order to install kdelibs4-dev. Yeah, that's because kdelibs4-dev depends on XFree86 4.2.1, and won't work with 4.3, due to the different way we handle PIC (this is upstream's shiny new

Re: Why kdelibs4-dev and XFree86 4.3.0 don't play nice together (was: Re: xlibs-pic)

2003-06-04 Thread John Gay
Yeah, that's because kdelibs4-dev depends on XFree86 4.2.1, and won't work with 4.3, due to the different way we handle PIC (this is upstream's shiny new way, which I'm assured is wrong, but that's beside the point). There's no real easy way to get kdelibs4-dev to install with Hmm, I thought

Re: Why kdelibs4-dev and XFree86 4.3.0 don't play nice together(was: Re: xlibs-pic)

2003-06-04 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 23:45, John Gay wrote: Yeah, that's because kdelibs4-dev depends on XFree86 4.2.1, and won't work with 4.3, due to the different way we handle PIC (this is upstream's shiny new way, which I'm assured is wrong, but that's beside the point). There's no real easy way to

Re: Why kdelibs4-dev and XFree86 4.3.0 don't play nice together (was: Re: xlibs-pic)

2003-06-04 Thread John Gay
This was my understanding as well. As I understand the situation, -fPIC is preferable to the non-PIC code which was there before. It's not quite that simple. This is about static libraries, which policy requires to be built without -fPIC. The problem arises when linking them into shared

Re: Why kdelibs4-dev and XFree86 4.3.0 don't play nice together (was: Re: xlibs-pic)

2003-06-04 Thread John Gay
I know that PIC code is 'supposed' to be better in that it can be loaded into memory without regard to the actual location or layout. Why should static libraries be built without -fPIC, and who's policy is it anyway? Debian's. I guess the reason is that PIC code usually performs worse than

Re: Why kdelibs4-dev and XFree86 4.3.0 don't play nice together (was: Re: xlibs-pic)

2003-06-04 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
John Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know that PIC code is 'supposed' to be better in that it can be loaded into memory without regard to the actual location or layout. Why should static libraries be built without -fPIC, and who's policy is it anyway? Position-independent code requires the

Re: Why kdelibs4-dev and XFree86 4.3.0 don't play nice together (was: Re: xlibs-pic)

2003-06-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 12:51:34AM +0100, John Gay wrote: This was my understanding as well. As I understand the situation, -fPIC is preferable to the non-PIC code which was there before. It's not quite that simple. This is about static libraries, which policy requires to be built

Re: Why kdelibs4-dev and XFree86 4.3.0 don't play nice together (was: Re: xlibs-pic)

2003-06-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 12:51:34AM +0100, John Gay wrote: This was my understanding as well. As I understand the situation, -fPIC is preferable to the non-PIC code which was there before. It's not quite that simple. This is about static libraries, which policy requires to be built

Re: Why kdelibs4-dev and XFree86 4.3.0 don't play nice together (was: Re: xlibs-pic)

2003-06-04 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Wed, 2003-06-04 at 02:25, John Gay wrote: And why are static lib's being linked into shared objects? Because some shared libraries (or plugins, or whatever) use some X extension libraries which are only available in static form. But non-PIC code in a shared object is a bad idea, it

Re: Why kdelibs4-dev and XFree86 4.3.0 don't play nice together (was: Re: xlibs-pic)

2003-06-04 Thread Branden Robinson
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Why kdelibs4-dev and XFree86 4.3.0 don't play nice together (was: Re: xlibs-pic)

2003-06-03 Thread Daniel Stone
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 11:16:30AM +0200, Frank Van Damme wrote: it seems your packages for X don't have a package xlibs-pic. Does this have a reason? kdelibs4-dev in Sid depends on it. There is, indeed, a reason - see below. Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:

Why kdelibs4-dev and XFree86 4.3.0 don't play nice together (was: Re: xlibs-pic)

2003-06-03 Thread Daniel Stone
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 11:16:30AM +0200, Frank Van Damme wrote: it seems your packages for X don't have a package xlibs-pic. Does this have a reason? kdelibs4-dev in Sid depends on it. There is, indeed, a reason - see below. Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:

Re: Why kdelibs4-dev and XFree86 4.3.0 don't play nice together (was: Re: xlibs-pic)

2003-06-03 Thread Chris Cheney
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 07:20:07PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: ... I downgraded xlibs and xbase-clients in order to install kdelibs4-dev. Yeah, that's because kdelibs4-dev depends on XFree86 4.2.1, and won't work with 4.3, due to the different way we handle PIC (this is upstream's shiny new

Re: Why kdelibs4-dev and XFree86 4.3.0 don't play nice together (was: Re: xlibs-pic)

2003-06-03 Thread John Gay
Yeah, that's because kdelibs4-dev depends on XFree86 4.2.1, and won't work with 4.3, due to the different way we handle PIC (this is upstream's shiny new way, which I'm assured is wrong, but that's beside the point). There's no real easy way to get kdelibs4-dev to install with Hmm, I thought

Re: Why kdelibs4-dev and XFree86 4.3.0 don't play nice together (was: Re: xlibs-pic)

2003-06-03 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 23:45, John Gay wrote: Yeah, that's because kdelibs4-dev depends on XFree86 4.2.1, and won't work with 4.3, due to the different way we handle PIC (this is upstream's shiny new way, which I'm assured is wrong, but that's beside the point). There's no real easy way to

Re: Why kdelibs4-dev and XFree86 4.3.0 don't play nice together (was: Re: xlibs-pic)

2003-06-03 Thread John Gay
This was my understanding as well. As I understand the situation, -fPIC is preferable to the non-PIC code which was there before. It's not quite that simple. This is about static libraries, which policy requires to be built without -fPIC. The problem arises when linking them into shared

Re: Why kdelibs4-dev and XFree86 4.3.0 don't play nice together (was: Re: xlibs-pic)

2003-06-03 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Wed, 2003-06-04 at 01:51, John Gay wrote: This was my understanding as well. As I understand the situation, -fPIC is preferable to the non-PIC code which was there before. It's not quite that simple. This is about static libraries, which policy requires to be built without -fPIC. The

Re: Why kdelibs4-dev and XFree86 4.3.0 don't play nice together (was: Re: xlibs-pic)

2003-06-03 Thread John Gay
I know that PIC code is 'supposed' to be better in that it can be loaded into memory without regard to the actual location or layout. Why should static libraries be built without -fPIC, and who's policy is it anyway? Debian's. I guess the reason is that PIC code usually performs worse than

Re: Why kdelibs4-dev and XFree86 4.3.0 don't play nice together (was: Re: xlibs-pic)

2003-06-03 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
John Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know that PIC code is 'supposed' to be better in that it can be loaded into memory without regard to the actual location or layout. Why should static libraries be built without -fPIC, and who's policy is it anyway? Position-independent code requires the