RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Alligate vs. Message Sniffer...opinions?

2003-08-20 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
> I don't want to knock Alligate, it has some nice functionality, > especially when used without Declude (auto whitelisting and digest > notification), and it does what it says, but it has a relatively high > false positive rate in the default configuration and therefore it can't > be scored higher

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Alligate vs. Message Sniffer...opinions?

2003-08-20 Thread Bill B.
Matthew, your MAILPOLICE tests are configured wrong. Those are rhsbl tests, not ip4r tests. The config lines should read... MAILPOLICE-BULK rhsbl bulk.rhs.mailpolice.com 127.0.0.2 10 0 MAILPOLICE-PORN rhsbl porn.rhs.mailpolice.com 127.0.0.2 10 0 Bill -Original Message- Fro

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Alligate vs. Message Sniffer...opinions?

2003-08-20 Thread brian
Hi Matt, I guess I'll chime in here... On 08/20/03 10:31pm you wrote... >I just joined the list today, but I found your configuration file from >back in June and it was very helpful in understanding how to fine tune >Alligate. I'm going to study it's logs more closely before I start that >ph

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Alligate vs. Message Sniffer...opinions?

2003-08-20 Thread Pete McNeil
At 10:31 PM 8/20/2003 -0400, you wrote: I don't want to knock Alligate, it has some nice functionality, especially when used without Declude (auto whitelisting and digest notification), and it does what it says, but it has a relatively high false positive rate in the default configuration and

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Alligate vs. Message Sniffer...opinions?

2003-08-20 Thread Matthew Bramble
John, I just joined the list today, but I found your configuration file from back in June and it was very helpful in understanding how to fine tune Alligate. I'm going to study it's logs more closely before I start that phase though, looking for false positives. I've turned that test down to

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Alligate vs. Message Sniffer...opinions?

2003-08-20 Thread Matthew Bramble
I'd also like to share my configuration. We have about 50 E-mail domains with about 250 users, with many addresses listed in who-is records and on Web sites, along with "nobody" alias redirection for all domains. This results in a lot of garbage coming our way. We are definitely capturing 95

[Declude.JunkMail] some SoBig.F notes

2003-08-20 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
A little heads-up about SoBig.F ... 2,000 of my inbound e-mail messages today has been this virus, from a variety of sources. The messages are the virus itself, neutered versions of the message, and bounces/warnings from dummy antivirus software on mailservers out there that still warn the sender

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Alligate vs. Message Sniffer...opinions?

2003-08-20 Thread Robert Grosshandler
Glad to. By the way, we also use Autowhite (I hate the thought of missing any mail). Also, our Declude config is near-stock, we hold on 20, delete on 30. #Alligate for IMail CONFIGURATION FILE (MINIMUM CONFIGURATION) #PLEASE SEE THE CONFIGURATION INSTRUCTIONS FOR MORE OPTIONS #GENERAL NOTES # A

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Alligate vs. Message Sniffer...opinions?

2003-08-20 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
As one of the earlier testers and helped develop the variable scale of Alligate, I can understand your position. I have a client that gets a lot of e-mail from the Far East and a lot of bcc broadcasts and lists. Many of these show elements of spam, but are legit. That is what makes it hard. There

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Alligate vs. Message Sniffer...opinions?

2003-08-20 Thread Keith Johnson
Rob, If you don't mind sharing, what config settings do you use for Alligate.. Keith -Original Message- From: Robert Grosshandler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Alligate vs. Message Sniffer...op

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Alligate vs. Message Sniffer...opinions?

2003-08-20 Thread Robert Grosshandler
We use both. Between them, plus the Declude tests, our false positive level is very, very low. Our scoring is such that if an e-mail triggers both Sniffer and Alligate, we treat as spam. If it triggers both, and has other characteristics of spam, its score is high enough that it gets deleted wit

[Declude.JunkMail] Alligate vs. Message Sniffer...opinions?

2003-08-20 Thread Matthew Bramble
I've been a Declude Virus and JunkMail customer for about a year and a half now. At first the spam blocking was just something that only a few of my ~250 users (hosting) found beneficial, but in the last 6 months I have had to continually push the limits with the tests in order to keep it from

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Starting Declude to Force a Queue Run

2003-08-20 Thread R. Scott Perry
If you will not be accepting E-mail on the server, you will need to either [1] copy the files from the \IMail\spool\overflow directory back to the \IMail\spool directory, and have IMail handle the deliveries (in which case Declude won't get a chance to scan them), or [2] Simulate incoming E-mail

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Starting Declude to Force a Queue Run

2003-08-20 Thread Darrell LaRock
Scott, I am going to stop the smtp service so no mail will be coming in. Essentially, at that point I need to clear out that overflow queue.. Darrell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:40 PM

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Info on test spamcop and ossrc

2003-08-20 Thread R. Scott Perry
I have a lot of emails failing both spamcop and ossrc , but I cannot fine any documentation on ether one , I search both the doc and email archives. Would like a description of the test and what weight do they carry . Those are standard public spam tests (as in not internal to Declude). You

[Declude.JunkMail] Info on test spamcop and ossrc

2003-08-20 Thread hsmith
I have a lot of emails failing  both spamcop and ossrc , but I cannot fine any documentation on  ether one , I search both the doc and email archives. Would like a  description of the test and what weight do they carry .   Thanks Howard     This e-mail message, including any attachme

[Declude.JunkMail] Starting Declude to Force a Queue Run

2003-08-20 Thread Darrell LaRock
Title: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Alligate Scott,   I have a backup mail server that is a bit under-speed of our primary mail server.  Right now the backup mail server is being pounded with SoBig which has forced the box to 100% cpu and the queue is growing slowly.   I am going to stop the

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Starting Declude to Force a Queue Run

2003-08-20 Thread R. Scott Perry
I have a backup mail server that is a bit under-speed of our primary mail server. Right now the backup mail server is being pounded with SoBig which has forced the box to 100% cpu and the queue is growing slowly. I am going to stop the smtp service in imail on this backup server while I sw

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Alligate

2003-08-20 Thread Keith Johnson
John, We have it as a Declude only test Keith -Original Message- From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 8/20/2003 1:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Alligate

RE: RE : [Declude.JunkMail] Alligate

2003-08-20 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
Yes, Alligate is a very good product. I do see a number of false positives, but that is because of my clients. I have a large client that gets a lot of e-mail from the Far East and broadcast messages. These, because of the nature, tend to trip tests do to poor formatting or other problems. Exa

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] New RHSBL site - UPDATE

2003-08-20 Thread Markus Gufler
> Even though the replies come back with 127.0.0.5, I had to > change my global.cfg entry to: > > SECURITYSAGE rhsbl blackhole.securitysage.com * 2 0 > > in order for it to work correctly. Ok, now it's reporting some spamming IP's However all messages SECURITYSAGE has detected on our

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Reporting Software, script attached

2003-08-20 Thread Jools Chesters
Great script, very useful. I'm scheduling it to run on our logs every day and email it to support, I do the same thing with the declude log file report. Cheers Jools On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:15:52 -0400, you wrote: >For anyone who wants this, here's a new script that will sort your >delude log f

RE : [Declude.JunkMail] Alligate

2003-08-20 Thread Blagui Mehdi
Hi, Is Alligate so good ? What about false positive ? Thanks Mehdi Blagui -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de John Tolmachoff (Lists) Envoyé : mercredi 20 août 2003 06:06 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Alligate Do you

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Segregating spam by weight

2003-08-20 Thread Markus Gufler
Title: Nachricht At the moment you can add a new WARN action that put's a special X-Header for messages having more then ~200% of your hold weight.   Now you can write a script (perl, vbscript, ...) that searches every x minutes in all files in your \spool\spam directory for this x-header an