Re: SPAM: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-11 Thread Matthew Bramble
Either test grouping, or some way to limit the score of a filter that increments, or someway to negate the whole filter with a test inside of the filter. Something like: SUBJECTEXEMPTCONTAINS?b? That would keep your negation techniques from having an effect outside of the test. I

Re: SPAM: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-11 Thread Dan Patnode
Not bad. Makes me wonder if the future test grouping feature would be even stronger with exclusive as well as inclusive grouping. Must have (1) and (2) but not (3). That would rock! :) Dan On Thursday, September 11, 2003 15:05, Matthew Bramble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Dan, > >There

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-11 Thread Matthew Bramble
I've been capturing this stuff and I have found the code in the middle of native language text, but only occasionally.  Some examples:     Subject: You never IM =?ISO-8859-1?B?bWUgYW55?=more     Subject: This is=?ISO-8859-1?b?IHRoZSA1dGgg?=email=?ISO-8859-1?b?IEkgc2Vu?=t you     Subject: =?ISO

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-11 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 3:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject Looking at my "spamples" I don't see any prefix letter: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?b?QnVzeSBhdCB3b3Jr?=? Subject: =?iso-8859-1?B?RGlzY3JlZXQgT24gTGluZSBQaGFyb

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-11 Thread Dan Patnode
Looking at my "spamples" I don't see any prefix letter: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?b?QnVzeSBhdCB3b3Jr?=? Subject: =?iso-8859-1?B?RGlzY3JlZXQgT24gTGluZSBQaGFybWFjeSwgVmlhZ3Jh?= Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?b?RndkOiBUaA==?=e 24th o=?ISO-8859-1?b?ZiB0aGk=?=s month Subject: =?iso-8859-1?b?SG93IGRvZXMgU2lsZGVu

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-11 Thread Matthew Bramble
Dan, There's a decent way around that. You can set the test in the Config file for a solid weight, not score each filter test incrementally, and then provide a list of negative tests that would offset the test. So if there is some sort of ISO tagging of this Japanese stuff, you can find that

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-11 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
> SUBJECT 40 CONTAINS =?ISO-8859-1?b? I'm seeing quite a few of these coming in, but they are getting held. I'm including a sample from my log, which is set to HIGH so that others can see what tests have been useful for me. An interesting point that came out of my following this thread is that I

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-11 Thread Dan Patnode
Follow-up, Used in a high weight soft test, 3 of Q subject tests FPd this morning. It seems that Japanese encoded messages like lots of mixed up letters. More testing... Dan On Wednesday, September 10, 2003 19:20, Dan Patnode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I did a scan of all uncaught spam fro

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-11 Thread Matthew Bramble
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject Add the following tests and it get's even better :) SUBSPACE-10subjectspaces10x10 SUBSPACE-20subjectspaces20x20 SUBSPACE-30subjectspaces30x30

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-10 Thread Marc Catuogno
I'm not familiar with this test? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Bramble Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject Add the following tests and it get&#

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-10 Thread Matthew Bramble
Add the following tests and it get's even better :) SUBSPACE-10subjectspaces10x10 SUBSPACE-20subjectspaces20x20 SUBSPACE-30subjectspaces30x30 Matt Dan Patnode wrote: I did a scan of all uncaught spam from the last week, foun

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-10 Thread Dan Patnode
I did a scan of all uncaught spam from the last week, found all the one's with Q, removed the QU's and ended up with this list. All of these would have been seen by Matt's new config: Subject: Block those unwanted Popups yqvqk Subject: drive luxury cars and get paid 9xP%oY5NzPG\q2G Su

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-10 Thread Matthew Bramble
Doug McKee wrote: What is your test setup for the above string, please? SUBJECT        15    CONTAINS    =?ISO-8859-1?b? >From what I can tell, there's no valid reason to encode Latin-1 in the subject since that character set is supported by default in E-mail, so it's quite safe to fai

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-10 Thread R. Scott Perry
It pains me to suggest making your todo list longer but how about adding test grouping? Don't feel bad -- it was already in the todo list. :) -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers. Declude Virus: Cat

Re: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-10 Thread Doug McKee
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >How about 4 different super tests? I fail automatically on >=?ISO-8859-1?B?, and that accounts for more than 1% of the What is your test setup for the above string, please? Thanks, Doug How about 4 different super tests?  I fail automatically on

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-10 Thread Matthew Bramble
How about 4 different super tests?  I fail automatically on =?ISO-8859-1?B?, and that accounts for more than 1% of the E-mail coming in to my server, but only a handful of additional catches in what was being missed...no false positives.  I think I've mentioned enough times, the other tests tha

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-10 Thread Dan Patnode
Scott, It pains me to suggest making your todo list longer but how about adding test grouping? It would be to much to make multiple weight scales, but how about something simpler. Say you wanted to make 3 groups of 3 each. Label one of the option columns in such a way that they can be groupe

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-10 Thread Dan Patnode
FYI, I pulled this test 3 weeks ago after a email from France came through (or rather didn't) with this subject: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?RW5qb3kgc3VtbWVyIHVudGlsIGl0cyB2ZXJ5IGVuZCE=?= There's definitely is a correlation here among spammers, ?B? encoded subjects, disposable domain names, and not

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-09 Thread R. Scott Perry
I'm using v1.75i4 right now, is it possible that you are using a version older than 1.75? We're using 1.75. I don't know what the sub-version is. I downloaded it on 7/22. Maybe Scott could offer an explanation or hint as to why ours works and yours doesn't. My guess is some extra spaces/tabs a

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-09 Thread Mike Leonard
Matthew Bramble wrote: Mike, I'm using v1.75i4 right now, is it possible that you are using a version older than 1.75? We're using 1.75. I don't know what the sub-version is. I downloaded it on 7/22. Maybe Scott could offer an explanation or hint as to why ours works and yours doesn't. I tes

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-09 Thread Matthew Bramble
Mike, I'm using v1.75i4 right now, is it possible that you are using a version older than 1.75? I tested my setup about 10 times before I gave up on the SUBJECT filter and moved to using HEADERS? BTW, regardless of how you do it or how it works, this is a great filter. It's not that common,

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-09 Thread Matthew Bramble
Add www.spamchk.com Base64 encoded subject lines will be decoded before the keyword-check. Markus It's on my list of things to do. That would be the best of both worlds since this stuff always seems keyword rich. Right now I'm writing custom filters, and loving the results... Thanks, Mat

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-09 Thread Markus Gufler
> Any suggestion on how to block these. Add www.spamchk.com Base64 encoded subject lines will be decoded before the keyword-check. Markus --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To uns

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-09 Thread Mike Leonard
Matthew Bramble wrote: Use a text filter and add something like: SUBJECT 40 CONTAINS =?ISO-8859-1?b? to it. I tried this all the way down to ust ?b? and a SUBJECT filter didn't catch it. The SUBJECT filter also doesn't catch the decoded text. I sent one to myself before I posted, just to

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-08 Thread Matthew Bramble
Use a text filter and add something like: SUBJECT 40 CONTAINS =?ISO-8859-1?b? to it. I tried this all the way down to ust ?b? and a SUBJECT filter didn't catch it.  The SUBJECT filter also doesn't catch the decoded text. I found though that if you use the HEADERS filter, it w

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-08 Thread Charles Frolick
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 4:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject >> SUBJECT 40 CONTAINS =?ISO-8859-1?b? << Assuming you don't ever get emails from European countries, Canada or other l

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-08 Thread Andy Schmidt
>> SUBJECT 40 CONTAINS =?ISO-8859-1?b? << Assuming you don't ever get emails from European countries, Canada or other locations that use accented characters. Best Regards Andy Schmidt H&M Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-08 Thread Mike Leonard
: Monday, September 08, 2003 4:55 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject How does a subject that shows this. =?ISO-8859-1?b?UmU6Q2hlYXBlc3QgVmlhZ3JhIEd1YXJhbnRlZWQ=?= The "?b?" indicates that this subject line is Base64 encoded. Markus --- [This E-mail was scan

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-08 Thread Frederick Samarelli
Any suggestion on how to block these. Thanks. - Original Message - From: "Markus Gufler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 4:55 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject > > > How does a subject that s

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-08 Thread Markus Gufler
> How does a subject that shows this. > > =?ISO-8859-1?b?UmU6Q2hlYXBlc3QgVmlhZ3JhIEd1YXJhbnRlZWQ=?= The "?b?" indicates that this subject line is Base64 encoded. Markus --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange Subject

2003-09-08 Thread R. Scott Perry
How does a subject that shows this. =?ISO-8859-1?b?UmU6Q2hlYXBlc3QgVmlhZ3JhIEd1YXJhbnRlZWQ=?= Display this. Re:Cheapest Viagra Guaranteed That's because the subject is encoded. To help support non-English languages, there was an RFC that allowed subjects and message bodies to be encoded. In