Thanks for the kind words.
One of the reasons that I have spent time on this is that I have been a
Delphi user since version 1. Ever since I first saw Delphi I have thought
that it has been wonderful. However, at these prices I cannot see myself
persuading our managers to pay for this product...
> > year that require the use of Delphi. At the end of my masters and PhD I
> will
> > (hopefully) have a programming language written in Delphi. All the design
> > will be done - if Delphi is too expensive then it will be re-written in
> something
> > that is cheaper.
>
> if you are going to de
> year that require the use of Delphi. At the end of my masters and PhD I
will
> (hopefully) have a programming language written in Delphi. All the design
> will be done - if Delphi is too expensive then it will be re-written in
something
> that is cheaper.
if you are going to develop a new pro
> At the end of my masters and PhD I will (hopefully) have a programming
language written in Delphi.
Why do you need Delphi enterprise to do this?
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> Borland has always had academic versions and I don't see why this would
> change for Delphi 6.
> Are you using Delphi in your course?
Yep. I am doing a Master of Science degree and then a PhD. The masters
is a two year course and 1 1/2 years of that will be using Delphi. The PhD
is (in theor
Borland has always had academic versions and I don't see why this would
change for Delphi 6.
Are you using delphi in your course?
>>It would be nice if Borland could do something like this.
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> Well wait until it will return you an income before getting it. Buy the
> cheaper version. Investigate the alternatives. There are plenty of Free
> and Open ones out there. We can't have everything we want. I understand
> form your messages that you are a student. You will not be a student
Nic,
Where do I find out what feature/component is in what version. Thats really
the issue. if I can make do with the Pro version, then the pricing isnt a
problem.
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Well wait until it will return you an income before getting it. Buy the
cheaper version. Investigate the alternatives. There are plenty of Free
and Open ones out there. We can't have everything we want. I understand
form your messages that you are a student. You will not be a student
foreve
Mark Derricutt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 10/05/2001 14:17:35:
>
>I would say it makes Open Source more acceptable. Theft is theft.
>
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>
>> Nothing ever makes piracy understandable.
I am not advocating it BUT these pri
I did not say acceptable - just understandable. I cannot afford to
spend $7.5k on something that will return me no income.
Chrissy.
> Nothing ever makes piracy understandable.
>
> >>I am not advocating it BUT these prices make SW piracy understandable.
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Well I know I actually starts this discussion in a peak, but I dont think its doing
any good. Borland arent listening - we should have been doing this on a Borland
newsgroup though I suspect that would be ineffective too (but I tried !) I sent the
pricing the IT manager saying i wanted to upgrade
I would say it makes Open Source more acceptable. Theft is theft.
--On Thursday, 10 May 2001 11:09 a.m. +1000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Nothing ever makes piracy understandable.
>>> I am not advocating it BUT these prices make SW piracy understandable.
> The most effective method of stopping piracy is to keep the cost down.
Or free! you can't steal that which is free
Neven
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have
used some other program.
The most effective method of stopping piracy is to keep the cost down.
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Nothing ever makes piracy understandable.
>>I am not advocating it BUT these prices make SW piracy understandable.
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On 10 May 2001, at 10:21, Martin Paulo wrote:
> Clarify that please - a glance at the feature matrix tells me that
> dbGo is only available in the enterprise edition.
I was in the delphi 6 chat the other night (at 4am!) and one of the
Borland guys said dbGo was in Pro. Later on the whole chat
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> Pro full upgrade - $890+ . . . This also from version 2?
>
> -Original Message-
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I can't resist - a certain well known company in its quest for world
domination makes freely available a Java IDE that has a very good debugger
in it.
Further, the JDK does have a fairly powerful debugger - but it is command
line driven. Try examining the 'jdb' program. Plus you get the source to
Clarify that please - a glance at the feature matrix tells me that dbGo is
only available in the enterprise edition.
However, dbExpress is available in both the professional and enterprise
edition. The blurb says "New dbExpress for ultra-high performance Native SQL
RDBMS access". Does one need S
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> Does D6 still talk to the BDE?
> Mark
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> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list delphi" <[EMAI
> As an aside, this is one reason why Java has done so well - it transcends
> the heterogeneous nature of the enterprise. Note that the entrance cost of
> the JDK (and its labour saving class libraries) is very low.
>
The enterance cost of the JDK, in $ terms, is low, but the productivity
without
> I think we would all agree that the robotic chairs are the only fun part
> about going to a dentist.
Actually - I know a very sexy dentist in Wellington.
Chrissy.
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I am not advocating it BUT these prices make SW piracy understandable.
BTW - what are the education prices?
Chrissy.
> it's also prices like these that make people look towards say gcc and
> KDevelop and linux/open source solutions.
>
> --On Wednesday, 9 May 2001 1:05 p.m. +1200 Martin Paulo
>
migrate to some other development tool. At this price,
Magic and Omnis are much much better choices.
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Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2001 11:00
Corey accidently sent this directly to me...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/05/2001 14:40:18:
>
>While it may look like I am defending the pricing I am not. I think
>it is over priced here in Australia (and NZ) when compared with the US
>and salaries are also compared. If you are a new user, why
TED]>
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> Never having been a dentist I could be wrong, but:
>
> A dentist:
>
> Doesn't have to spend 6 months learning how the new
>Doesn't have to spend 6 months learning how the new chair he has just bought
>works before he is really effective.
Add to that...
In two years time, he can still re-coop much of the purchase price by
selling it to, for example, go to another brand (try selling a Delphi 3 C/S
for anything mor
s, the chair manufacturer will be held liable.
...
The list goes on and on.
I think that a dentists chair is a bad analogy.
Martin
> -Original Message-
> From: Glenn Bull [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2001 4:09 p.m.
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> be in. Sure a dentist doesn't need to upgrade his chair every 18 months,
> but the chair is only a very small part of his work tools.
This simply a statement that you need cost/benefit considerations in buying a tool.
The higher the cost and the benefit need to be that much as well. (Earning De
D6 is quite expensive compared to Tools from M$. I think it should
be priced countrywise.
I think Borland should look at their pricing strategy once again. I
believe the more you sell, even if the profit is less you end up
making more profit then selling less at high price.
Sandeep
Softwa
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> > well, its official - Delphi 6 is out of the hat - the XML stuff,
BTW,
>
If you want it to.
BDE, ADO, DataCLX, XML(myBase) or InterBase
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From: Mark Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2001 10:10
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Does D6 still talk to the BDE?
Mark
Does D6 still talk to the BDE?
Mark
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>
> Well in this case isn't th
Well in this case isn't the client the business?
>A few months ago I saw research that claimed 90% of software development
is
>custom development done in house by business. Only 10% of software
>development is for shrink-wrap sales.
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enterprise. Note that the entrance cost of
the JDK (and its labour saving class libraries) is very low.
Martin
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> Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2001 2:40 p.m.
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> Subject
While it may look like I am defending the pricing I am not. I think it is
over priced here in Australia (and NZ) when compared with the US and
salaries are also compared. If you are a new user, why buy the enterprise
version straight away. There is enough in Pro or even standard to keep you
oc
have given their larger mass and Microsoft's deeper knowledge
of Windows...
Martin
> -Original Message-
> From: Nic Wise [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2001 1:55 p.m.
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OK, I give. You can compare them!
;-)
> And well, why can't I compare them?
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I could compare Netbeans to JBuilder, KDevelop to C++ Builder. IDE wise
KDevelop is very nice, and very powerful. Admittidly I don't know anything
about c++ which my main hurdle there atm.
And well, why can't I compare them? Delphi is not the only RAD design tool
out there these days, its j
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> I think it's a case of you get what you paid for. You can't honestly
> compare either of those development enviroments (well GCC isn
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> it's also prices like these that make people look towards say gcc and
> KDevelop and linux/open source solutions.
>
> --On Wednesday, 9 May 2001 1:05 p.m. +1200 Martin Paulo
> <[
I think it's a case of you get what you paid for. You can't honestly
compare either of those development enviroments (well GCC isn't technically
an enviroment) to Delphi. Haven't used Kylix first hand so I can only go
on hearsay but have used both KDevelop and GCC.
JED
PS: Glad to see you go
No mention yet, AFAIK, but I would imagine that the status quo would stand.
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it's also prices like these that make people look towards say gcc and
KDevelop and linux/open source solutions.
--On Wednesday, 9 May 2001 1:05 p.m. +1200 Martin Paulo
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> PS: Having just compared these prices to our MSDN subscription price I can
> see that it is proba
Pro full upgrade - $890+ . . . This also from version 2?
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OK, pricing
Nic Wise [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2001 11:00 a.m.
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>
>
> OK, pricing (all are +freight +gst):
>
> enterprise full $6670 + gst
> upgrade $5330 + gst
&g
recipients of list delphi
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OK, pricing (all are +freight +gst):
enterprise full $6670 + gst
upgrade $5330 + gst
pro full $2220 + gst
upgrade $890 + gst
order before 30 june and get a discount
pro $815 + gst (upgrade)
ent $4930 + gst (upgrade)
wow, the
> While I would never cross over to the dark side, surely competitive pricing
> is in order. Not to mention loyalty to customers, we have bought every
> version of Delphi since version 1. I think for loyal customers, a price
> around $3500 for an enterprise upgrade would be more reasonable.
>
> I
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> It doesn't such THAT much!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nic Wise [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 9 May 2001 11:00
> To: Multiple recipients of list delphi
> Sub
ailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2001 11:00
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Subject: Re: [DUG]: d6 - pricing, mutter...
OK, pricing (all are +freight +gst):
enterprise full $6670 + gst
upgrade $5330 + gst
pro full $2220 + gst
upgrade $890 + gst
order before 30 june and
It doesn't such THAT much!
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From: Nic Wise [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 9 May 2001 11:00
To: Multiple recipients of list delphi
Subject: Re: [DUG]: d6 - pricing, mutter...
OK, pricing (all are +freight +gst):
enterprise full $6670 + gst
upgrade $5330 + gs
OK, pricing (all are +freight +gst):
enterprise full $6670 + gst
upgrade $5330 + gst
pro full $2220 + gst
upgrade $890 + gst
order before 30 june and get a discount
pro $815 + gst (upgrade)
ent $4930 + gst (upgrade)
wow, the NZ$ does suck (and our prices in the US have gone up a bit too.)
> Nic, would be good to get thee NZ pricing out asap - I have budget money
for
> Delphi allocated before July and could going on the red tape.
I'll get it ASAP - Alice, who has the info, is currently in transit to the
computerworld expo, so I'll get it from her as soon as she gets there and
calls
Ditto
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Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2001 09:54
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...SNIP
Nic, would be good to get thee NZ pricing out asap - I have budget money for
Delphi allocated
> well, its official - Delphi 6 is out of the hat - the XML stuff, BTW,
> hassupport for XSD, but I couldn't say anything until this was out :)
Well, interesting feature matrix. Looks like a few goodies there for the Professional
version. I note the usual problem with the Enterprise edition : upg
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