Re: supporting different approaches,...

2012-01-30 Thread José Rodolfo Freitas
+1 for a thin integration layer for third party based on CDI mechanisms. +1 for default implementation. I'd suggest Shiro or ESAPI. ESAPI[1] doesn't seem to be very known, but it's an API that should be considered since it's the API developed by OWASP[2] team, based on the lines and concerns

Re: supporting different approaches,...

2012-01-30 Thread José Rodolfo Freitas
by default implementation I meant a default integration. On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:16 AM, José Rodolfo Freitas joserodolfo.frei...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for a thin integration layer for third party based on CDI mechanisms. +1 for default implementation. I'd suggest Shiro or ESAPI. ESAPI[1]

Re: supporting different approaches,...

2012-01-30 Thread Gerhard Petracek
hi jose, that isn't a discussion about a default implementation. the suggestion is that we can agree on a default implementation if we implement different approaches and for the other implementations we use cdi alternatives. this concept allows to switch between the implementations. in case of

Re: supporting different approaches,...

2012-01-30 Thread José Rodolfo Freitas
ok, got it. On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi jose, that isn't a discussion about a default implementation. the suggestion is that we can agree on a default implementation if we implement different approaches and for the other

Re: supporting different approaches,...

2012-01-30 Thread Shane Bryzak
On 30/01/12 18:57, Gerhard Petracek wrote: hi @ all, as discussed at [1] the current suggestion is to start with new modules (esp. the jpa and the security module). both will show that we will face very different approaches we need to support. e.g. in case of the security module dan suggested

AW: supporting different approaches,...

2012-01-30 Thread Arne Limburg
:15 An: deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Gerhard Petracek Betreff: Re: supporting different approaches,... On 30/01/12 18:57, Gerhard Petracek wrote: hi @ all, as discussed at [1] the current suggestion is to start with new modules (esp. the jpa and the security module). both will show

Re: supporting different approaches,...

2012-01-30 Thread Gerhard Petracek
hi shane, that's a noble goal. however, i know a lot of users who will never use our security implementation - only the api/spi to integrate with the other modules of deltaspike (that's independent of what we are providing in this area). - -1 for only providing one way of doing things in this

Re: AW: supporting different approaches,...

2012-01-30 Thread Shane Bryzak
Nachricht- Von: Shane Bryzak [mailto:sbry...@redhat.com] Gesendet: Montag, 30. Januar 2012 13:15 An: deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Gerhard Petracek Betreff: Re: supporting different approaches,... On 30/01/12 18:57, Gerhard Petracek wrote: hi @ all, as discussed at [1] the current

AW: supporting different approaches,...

2012-01-30 Thread Arne Limburg
Hi Pete, At least that sounds like that what I am thinking of ;-) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Pete Muir [mailto:pm...@redhat.com] Gesendet: Montag, 30. Januar 2012 13:58 An: deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Shane Bryzak Betreff: Re: supporting different approaches,... I think

Re: supporting different approaches,...

2012-01-30 Thread Pete Muir
Sorry, yes, I was to specific calling out Gerhard ;-) On 30 Jan 2012, at 12:57, Pete Muir wrote: I think we're suffering from a communication problem here, rather than a different philosophy ;-) What we are proposing is an API/SPI abstraction which delegates the actual work to other

Re: supporting different approaches,...

2012-01-30 Thread Pete Muir
Yes, I certainly agree with the basic approach :-) On 30 Jan 2012, at 13:09, Gerhard Petracek wrote: yes - since i wrote: the following part is just an example and is not a suggestion to use/integrate the mentioned frameworks: ... it's just about the basic topic how we support different

AW: supporting different approaches,...

2012-01-30 Thread Arne Limburg
. Cheers, Arne -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Pete Muir [mailto:pm...@redhat.com] Gesendet: Montag, 30. Januar 2012 14:13 An: deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Shane Bryzak Betreff: Re: supporting different approaches,... Yes, I certainly agree with the basic approach :-) On 30 Jan

Re: AW: supporting different approaches,...

2012-01-30 Thread Mark Struberg
:31 PM Subject: Re: AW: supporting different approaches,... Oki all good points... And all valid points... And all pretty heavy points... Means to ME that we should take a step back and think _really_ _hard_ before going onti implementing something ;) Serious, this is indeed

Re: AW: supporting different approaches,...

2012-01-30 Thread Jason Porter
a.) doesn't work out). LieGrue, strub - Original Message - From: Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de To: deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 2:31 PM Subject: Re: AW: supporting different approaches,... Oki all

Re: AW: supporting different approaches,...

2012-01-30 Thread Mark Struberg
crafted minimal implementation. LieGrue, strub - Original Message - From: Jason Porter lightguard...@gmail.com To: deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de Cc: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 11:21 PM Subject: Re: AW: supporting different approaches,... T

Re: AW: supporting different approaches,...

2012-01-30 Thread Gerhard Petracek
; Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de Cc: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 11:21 PM Subject: Re: AW: supporting different approaches,... T hanks for getting us back on track Mark, I noticed that as I was reading the thread :) I'm at +1 for not having any default in DeltaSpike. I think

Re: AW: supporting different approaches,...

2012-01-30 Thread Jason Porter
: Monday, January 30, 2012 2:31 PM Subject: Re: AW: supporting different approaches,... Oki all good points... And all valid points... And all pretty heavy points... Means to ME that we should take a step back and think _really_ _hard_ before going onti