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For info I attach both a) Fuel consumption of diesel and b) Fuel
consumption of house - any ideas on how the can be enhanced and made
more 'readable' useful are welcome ?
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of the weekly meetings occasionally when I can. As for
the email list I mite be more of a leach then an active partisipent.
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Hello,
Here you go https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Spreadsheet_Tabs.png
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in a browser?
perhaps blow the tool bar and above the formula bar?
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May I officially say. HA. Google+ just realised an update today for
there android app, and it features a Facebook navigation button with the
side bar that shows the sliver of the page that you are currently viewing.
What do you say to that. They must see some value in this menu.
This makes me
obviously going to confuse every one who uses our app Bla.
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Yes Mirek I am very pist off but there is nothing we can do about that now.
Besides I'm just being stupid. I'll look stuffs over and comeback later.
On May 24, 2012 5:48 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry if my responses made you angry -- I really didn't mean it badly.
You might want to
Mirek,
I knew that you would chime in saying that we should stick to the HIG.
Every other app uses that form of navigation because its in the HIG
(that
Is Human Interface * Guidelines* not absolutely must be this way
rules).
The HIG is for keeping some consistency across the platform.
Hello,
so then whats the difference between the whiteboard and the playground? the
fact that there is no dead line? many of the whiteboards do not have
deadlines.
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a document then in the manager or viewer. But
since
we are one shipping these views right now that's all I did.
I don't understand the last sentence.
we are not going to have the full blown writer just a document viewer for
now.
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Hello,
Why are we calling for Draw templates? what would a draw template look
like, to me it would just be like in GIMP where you can choose the image
sizes. so the 640x480, 800x600, CD cover, US-Letter, US Legal... so what
are we asking for with this?
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I really like it Mirek. Just thought of this what do you think Bout
marketing folders by dragging file onto another file like on iPhone and now
android(my phone can do that)
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Mirek,
I like the new proposals. Couple of things.
1. Why do you keep adding a new proposal section for your self? You did
this for the remote as well. Why not just keep them all together?
2. I like the template folder icon that's exactly what I was kinda what I
was imagining.
3. What all
Why do we need to design for the ability to use the valium buttons. Won't
it just change slides when the user hits them. Or do we need to design the
option in the settings menu?
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Hi everyone,
Just received word from Andrej, the student
what about Sundays?
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OK I just added my proposal for the templates dialog [1]. Its nothing
really awesome, just wanted to present a preview for the templates. I think
you should be able to preview each page of the template before creating it.
[1]
If you mean meet earlier then I'll definitely make it. I mite be late on
Sunday depending on what time I get out of church.
On May 3, 2012 9:16 AM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote:
Since we have 4 GSoC whiteboards to go over this Saturday, I was thinking
we could move the chat up an hour or
We currently have bold italic and underline as one letter, and not the
letter that the word starts with. I'm not sure how this is for all the
languages but if there is no one is saying anything about it now then what
would be the big deal with staying with the same letters? Have there been
any
Hmm, well that's interesting. It's an open fount right? Can't we creat the
needed characters? It would be good to do so because I think that the
vegur font is our font that we use.
I don't know how open source fonts work, can we create the needed
characters?
On May 2, 2012 11:30 PM, ape
Björn, Mattias
Björn I have not seen you on this list in months and come only with
criticism on how we are trying to run things, without finding out if any of
what you say is true. Mirek has taken the time to get the devs view on
things. Yes there are things we could do better but we are just now
less intrusive for people who don't use templates.
Sidenote: Andrew, I'm pretty sure it's templates and not templets, you
should correct that.
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Hello,
Yah Im really against the tango icons as well. we desperately need our own
icons.
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Hello,
Ok my mockups are up on the wiki,
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/File_Manager
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Hello,
here is my mockups for the file viewer.
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/File_Viewer#Proposals
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for these two already
now otherwise we might redesign the dialog in some months.
what are these data bars and color scales you speak of? could you like to
the concept for them if you have one?
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the code
is written in or care. the dev team even has little control over this
because this is apart of the Google summer of code, which meas that someone
not apart of our dev team is going to write it. after that the dev team can
do what they want with it but...
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ummm.. where did the design menu go?
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Ok because I kinda like it. Though I can still navigate the wiki with out
it, I like using that bar.
Andrew
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2012/4/28 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com
Mirek,
ummm.. where did the design menu go?
Sorry, it's back. I
I like it, I say implement it Mirek.
On Apr 27, 2012 1:40 AM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote:
Could I update the design page with
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Mirek2#LibreOffice_Design_Teamfor
now?
I feel like the sooner we implement something, the sooner volunteers can
come.
Hello,
Great to see so much awesome ideas already presented. I decided to chip in.
I added my thoughts to the Whiteboard as well:
https://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/Design/**Whiteboards/Impress_remotehttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Impress_remote
great, could you
We could have a section of things we are working on right now.
I like how the whiteboards are set up now with the categories. But we could
take them out of their categories and into the working category. This way
you would just know what we are working on by looking at it.
On Apr 26, 2012 5:50
Hello,
Ok I have posted my Mockup of the remote
[1]https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Impress_remote#Proposals.
what does you thinks.
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/4/26 Stefan Knorr (Astron) heinzless...@googlemail.com
Hi Mirek,
The time is based on the Doodle poll we took [1].
Me knowey.
16:00 GMT suited most
people.
Given that you can't attend quite often, Andrew has usually apparently
gone to sleep already at that time ... I
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Hi Mirek,
The time is based on the Doodle poll we took [1].
Me knowey.
16:00 GMT suited most
people.
Given that you can't attend quite often, Andrew has usually apparently
gone to sleep already at that time ... I wonder if that is actually
true
Jean, Albert,
That you for explaining this jean. I see how this would be useful.
For example: You always use the signature icon in
the status bar, but we hid it away, all you would have
to do is go to ViewStatus Bar and check Digital
Signature from now on, every time you open that
program,
Hello,
Ok, great, so... Would you like it if we made a full revision on the UI?
You know, make it just work, and look good too.
This is the reason I'm here, to make LibreOffice loons good. I like Mirek's
whole UI mockup found on his blog [1].
I think it is possible, but we have to be WAY
Alberto,
No the whiteboard is for the proposals, and the mailing list is for
discussing the proposals.
Cheers,
Andrew
On Apr 25, 2012 6:19 PM, Alberto Delgado alberto...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, the problems are there, do we propose solutions under them or where?
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So I just added my problems to this section. Mirek if this is not the
format that it should be tell me and you or I can change it.
On Apr 25, 2012 7:00 PM, Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com wrote:
Alberto,
If this refers to what happens with large palletes, i think you could
just scroll
signature, document modification, insertion mode, selection
mode, and all the other sections I talked about. Are these sections and
others still useful, should they be there, should they be removed or placed
in other locations?
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Hello,
I do not see the point in changing the icons for the startup application,
you have not done anything but take away the documents in the icons. why
are you working on this? what are you trying to fix or change about this?
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Hello,
[13:08] alexanderW Should that popover only be used for colors or also
pictures and patterns?
The scope asks for gradients and patterns.
I understood it as shape fill, in which case image fill is also relevant.
ok I can see the patterns, we will need to make some. but what about the
Hello,
Here is this week meeting notes,
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Meetings/2012-04-21
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Why don't we show that the document has been changed in the title of the
document like many programs are starting to do?
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Hello,
.png is better for ideas and rough concepts since you can see it right on
the
browser (not sure if you can do that with .svg) .svg is better for images
you
want people to make improvements on since it's more easily editable. I
think
that when the second applies you should just put
be hard to pick the wrong one, but still. if not lets keep it in the
palette section, I think its a needed palette.
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Ok I wanted to ask before I changed antsy other whiteboard and made my new
whiteboards public. I also wanted to know if it was time for more white
boards. One of them can wait but the other I think is important right now.
The whiteboard I'm talking about is color palettes [1]. I think that it
will
Thank you.
On Apr 16, 2012 6:29 AM, Stefan Knorr (Astron)
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Hi Andrew,
sorry forgot to link to it. It's there now.
Astron.
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[5] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/2/2d/C-add.png? also why
does the palette selector disappear when you add a color to the custom
palette. was this just a mess up when making?
Mirek I really like what you have done.
Cheers,
Andrew
[1]
https
with the whiteboard? we
also need to get these icons going as well.
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each Toolbar individually.
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Hello
im taking all this from
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Writer_Status_Bar_Remaking
*For writer*
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/1/1e/New-libreoffice-writer-statusbar-v1.png
what is the digital signature.
why do we have the document modification. why not put it in the
.
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WOW,
if that is a a normal situation over there then yall is crazy. no I had a
feeling that someone would say something like that but I wrote it anyway. I
can see how having the language would be good for some. do you have any
comments on anything else.
cheers,
Andrew
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 5
Hello,
If I'm well informed: this is a container issue fdo#45671
with e.g. issues fdo#45682, fdo#45688, fdo#44611 included.
thanks for the bugs.
45671 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45671,
45682https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45682,
and 45688
should be under the view menu.
cheers,
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I did not know that Mirek has already thought of a way for mobile UI's to
use the split buttons.
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Pull-down_button
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I second Christopher. The metro UI is terrible and will fail. If micr$oft
does not change back or bring more of what they have now with windo$ 7 then
the end is near.
On Apr 14, 2012 3:05 AM, Christopher Stark christopherst...@gmx.de
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I'm glad that Metro/Win8 won't be supported soon.
For
I love it, should be able to get some work done with these strict dead
lines. Do we have a hig?
On Apr 14, 2012 9:50 AM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote:
Please take a look at my proposal for our idea workflow and tell me what
you think:
Yah I really don't u.understand the scope, and what's in/out of scope.
When I wrote the whiteboards that I did, I just wrote what I thought the
scope was and hopes if it was wrong that someone will correct it. I'll ask
the team about it next time. But till then could you describe it.
As I
Hello,
... haven't heard anything either. S. Gecko's whiteboard has
been hijacked by Andrew anyway. So, I guess, Andrew should deal with
either radically cleaning it up or shelving it.
Im sorry I thought when I saw Mireks call to change the whiteboards that it
was an invitation to start
Hello
Testing icons does not mean let the users design them. I agree that users
are
not the right people for designing icons. I was referring to the
discussion of
using 'a' or 'A' or 'i' or whatever. My advice would be to design all
possible
icons and see which work best for different users
Hello,
apparently in the color picker whiteboard there used to be something about
a theme dialog. when asked about it in Mireks email about the color picker
I decided to make my own mockup. so here it is [1]
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Document_Themes
cheers,
Andrew
,
Andrew
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Mirek
I have been trying to open this doc for some time but am having
some trouble. when I try to open it it tells me Failed to load the
requested file C:\Users\owner\tablet\LibreOffice\frivl.svg. is the
document corrupt or something?
cheers
Andrew
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Mirek M. maz
Hello,
- Do we need recently-used colors? If yes, should they be shared across all
LibO modules, across a single LibO module, or apply only to the current
window?
I believe that if the user changes the text color from their default color,
then a document colors section should be appended to
Yah I'm a porgrammer and that won't make LibreOffice any faster. All it
will do is make the download and program smaller whitch will make users
happy. so we should still do it, but it won't make LO any faster. It's
going to load one icon just as fast as any other.
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I don't like the idea of letting the users test the icons. There are many
things that the users can test that would benifit us, but the disign of
things is not one of them. If they have something that they would like to
be different then they can join the team, or find a way to help. I think we
Hello
I just updated my icon. look through the history of the icon and tell me
which one you likes best.
Andrew/Android272
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kévin PEIGNOT peignot.ke...@kpeignot.frwrote:
It's far too late to answer, but I didn't had time before. My favorite one
is the Mirek one
Solo he took the document out of it? There is nothing else different about
it from how it is now. I don't know why but I do not like it.
On Apr 6, 2012 4:08 PM, ape os...@yandex.ru wrote:
Hi all,
Astron started working on changing Main program's window (soffice.exe). I
like when this
What do you mean by directory tree? Do you mean that view where you see the
icon of the document, doc name, when created, what type, and other info all
in one line? Because I hate that view in the desktop. It's fine to offer
that for the people who want it for some reason. But the default view
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today.
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I can see what Mirek is trying to say with confusing the icons with
different function. we know what it stands for because the proposal is for
a New Document icon. but new users may not understand what each icon
means, and putting the logo into the icon makes it more easily
understandable of what
Ok im sorry but I do not understand GMT. Apparently i am UTC/GMT -4 hours.
Does this mean that I subtract four hours from the 14:00 GMT, meaning that
the meeting is at 10:00 AM for me? could someone explain this for me.
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the colors
into the document color section in the order as they apear in the document.
I added this to my mockup on how it would look [1].
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https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Color_Handling
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proposal with two variants of the previous state
outline, the latest of which I prefer to the original.)
2012/3/18 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com
I like the pages of Ivan's icons but I like how Mirik's icons show
the previous orientation and the arrow to the next orientation.
On Sat
does the decision of these icons effect all of the icons that require
letters? ex Text Color, Highlight Color, text box, super/sub script...
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote:
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I'll give this issue one more week, since it's turned out to be so
by this.
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what website do we use for this? iv only done this one other time with
a different group.
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 10:02 PM, Ivan Filho ivan...@gmail.com wrote:
Em 22/03/2012 19:53, Mirek M. escreveu:
I propose we have the first meeting this Saturday at 18:00 GMT, since
that's the time that
Hello
I just uploaded some mock ups for the color picker[1]. The first mock up is
not mine it was hidden so I unhid it. Tell me what you thinks.
Cheers
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Having a drop down in a drop down seems like unneeded work. Too many clicks.
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Personally, I think having three moderators in total is very fine for
this kind of list (medium volume). One of the reasons is, that every
moderator will be noticed about pending mails ... so work might be
doubled in rare cases.
if it is a rare case then why should there be a
I like the pages of Ivan's icons but I like how Mirik's icons show
the previous orientation and the arrow to the next orientation.
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi everyone,
Another week's over and there's another set of icons to discuss -- namely
the
I vote for the uppercase icons. It's not that hard to tell that its bold.
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never noticed that. that's quite funny when you point that out.
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:57 AM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/3/6 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com
I like your Line idea Mirek to switch the underline to a
under/over/through/double through/double under line drop
I like that you changed the normal to normal text. It took me a long time
to... well no I finally asked you what the normal meant. this way it tells
the use that it has something to do with the text, which should be obvious
but for someone who never used styles until just a few months ago it was
wrote:
Hi Andrew, *,
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com
wrote:
does any one know if that would be something that we would/could put in
the
suite
No, as this doesn't belong to the individual software, but to your
operating system's printing engine
with this
prosses but have no idea where to find them.
cheers
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ok thanks. I thought they should be there but did not see anything.
Andrew
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Hi Andrew,
2012/2/29 Andrew Pullins android2...@gmail.com
Hello
Sorry for not being in the discussions for some time. im trying to keep
up
I relly like this proposal, looks good. I just installed the new version of
LO and noticed that we need to update the install menu. the install menu is
very ugly and needs to have all the icons replaced. when we think about
replacing all the icons, I think that we don't always realize how many
Back when I started rants about how we need to start changing the UI NOW,
that Christoph talked about how we have devs that want to work on the UI.
Perhaps a solution could be one of the design team leaders, maybe
Christoph, go over to the dev mailing list and get some volunteers to work
with us.
Do you mean this draft:
http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/User:**See#T-shirts:_LibreOffice_T-*
*shirt_designhttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:See#T-shirts:_LibreOffice_T-shirt_design
I still want that t-shirt. would we be able to get these printed for people
to buy.
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I have been wondering that as well. I think that it is funny that we still
use the floppy disc as the save button. I think that it should be changed
as well, but the icon is used in every program ever. so even though people
may not know what it is they know that the button saves there work.
what
never mind that we don't have a mobile product yet, I don't think the
ratio of the LibO logo should be meddled with so much. A better
solution might be to add some sort of desk wood (or something else?)
as the backdrop and put the normal icons on top of this.
im sorry but that seems like a
ok what ever, im not an icon maker so. they look good but I wanted your
thoughts on my icons, not suggestions on using some one else'. besides we
could not use those for the iOS, because they would have too look just like
every other icon on the platform. apple likes to control every aspect to
where whould the money go??? I mean we all do this for free. who gets paid
or what would the money go to. its somthing that I have wondered about
donating to open source projects. id be glad to donate to some of them but
there are so many people working on this thing, where would it go. I do not
can have any icon we want so I left it up to the people to
diside if we want to keep our current icons for android or use icons like
what I have made.
tell me what you think.
Andrew
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http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Mobile_icons
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Oh I forgot
each of the icons in the SVG section are separate links, and I do not know
why they look like they do one the wiki page
cheers.
andrew
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sean
What would be an ideal solution is to have a LibO 4 pre-/apha version
come out with a toolkit and UI rewrite WHILE a LibO 3.x version is out
and still being mantianed. this would allow the dev and early testers to
test the new UI elements before they would become final and allow
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