Hello everyone, I'm new here, and I haven't been active in any project so far, but the fedora rpg badge looks really interesting, and i hope that i could give a little help on that, especially on the design part. I'm looking forward to start working with everyone.
Have a nice day. On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 5:19 AM, < design-team-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Send design-team mailing list submissions to > design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > design-team-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > design-team-ow...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of design-team digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Vinzenz Vietzke) > 2. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Misha Shnurapet) > 3. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Nicu Buculei) > 4. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Vinzenz Vietzke) > 5. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Nicu Buculei) > 6. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Vinzenz Vietzke) > 7. Fedora RPG Badge (Fabian A. Scherschel) > 8. Re: Fedora RPG Badge (ppapad...@gmail.com) > 9. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Jef van Schendel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 23:07:19 +0100 > From: Vinzenz Vietzke <v...@fedoraproject.org> > Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage > To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org> > Message-ID: <4ced8c97.80...@fedoraproject.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Jef, > > Am 24.11.2010 21:02, schrieb Jef van Schendel: > > So my suggestion is to put both of these concepts together and make one > > really fantastic Start page.:) > Here we go! :) > > > - We'd like to use the same footer across all the different Fedora > websites, > > so I think we should keep that. It's big and has a lot of content, but on > > the other hand it's content that fits really well on a Start page. Also, > we > > can remove the Release Notes, Join, etc links if we use that footer. > I think using the same footer on "regular" websites like www.fpo or > get.fpo is absolutely necessary. But on such a special site like > start.fpo I think it would be better not to "rush" the user with > content. Especially new users would just get struck by all this > information and would overlook the search bar as core functionality. > > > > > - As I said I love the CC icons as filters, but they could be a little > > closer to the actual search bar, so it's clear what they're used for. I > > think the "dropdown + button + CC logo" combo I currently have in place > > looks ugly, so maybe we can simply put them there? > Sounds good to me. Have a look: [2] > > > > - I'm not sure what to do about the RSS feeds. Initially I resisted > against > > adding them, because I felt the page would go from a clean and simple > Start > > page to a full-blown hub. On the other hand, they contain a lot of good > and > > up-to-date information about what's happening in the community. What do > you > > (and others who want to join in!) think, are they valuable enough to > keep? > > Or is it a step too far? > Maybe we should talk about two different sites: > * welcome.fedoraproject.org > Think of it looking like my v3 with a "compressed" standard footer. [1] > This site should only contain the searching functionality since it's > intended as browser home page. > The only additional function I'd add would be a link named "switch to > daily start page" or so, which updates the browser home page to a > start.fedoraproject.org variant as stated below. > > * start.fedoraproject.org > On this site I'd place things like RSS feeds, tweets, rotating photo > galleries etc. Something like a portal but only with aggregated content > so no daily maintenance would be needed. > Perhaps pushing planet.fpo unfiltered to this site should be rethought > since there are sometimes quite useless postings like "i have voted" or > so. Maybe someone should pick the 20-30 most "valuable" ones and tell > the blog owners about the fact that their posts will appear on > start.fpo. In this way a little quality assurance would be given. > > vinz. > > [1] http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/start.fpo/compressed-footer.png > [2] http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/start.fpo/v4.png > -- > Vinzenz Vietzke > m: v...@fedoraproject.org > wk: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Vinz > mb: https://identi.ca/vinzv | https://twitter.com/vinzv > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:13:04 +0800 > From: Misha Shnurapet <shnura...@fedoraproject.org> > Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage > To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org> > Message-ID: <47801290651...@web110.yandex.ru> > Content-Type: text/plain > > 25.11.2010, 06:07, "Vinzenz Vietzke" <v...@fedoraproject.org>: > > I think using the same footer on "regular" websites like www.fpo or > > get.fpo is absolutely necessary. But on such a special site like > > start.fpo I think it would be better not to "rush" the user with > > content. Especially new users would just get struck by all this > > information and would overlook the search bar as core functionality. > > I also think that a start page should be as clean as possible and only > contain a branded search bar [1], [2]. > > [1] http://www.google.ru/firefox > [2] http://firefox.yandex.ru/ > > 25.11.2010, 04:02, "Jef van Schendel" <jefvanschen...@gmail.com>: > > - As I said I love the CC icons as filters, but they could be a little > closer to the actual search bar, so it's clear what they're used for. I > think the "dropdown + button + CC logo" combo I currently have in place > looks ugly, so maybe we can simply put them there? > > Agree, a good place for switchers would be right under the search bar. > > -- > Best regards, > Misha Shnurapet, Fedora Project Contributor > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Shnurapet > shnurapet AT fedoraproject.org, GPG: 00217306 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 09:27:03 +0200 > From: Nicu Buculei <nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro> > Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage > To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org> > Message-ID: <4cee0fc7.2020...@nicubunu.ro> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 11/24/2010 10:02 PM, Jef van Schendel wrote: > > I made a mockup [1] which has the same content as the current Start > > page, but with the redesigned header and footer. Together with Sijis I > > put together a working prototype [2]. As you can see we added two RSS > > feeds to the page with announcements and Fedora Planet posts. > > > > Looking back I don't think I announced any of this on the Websites or > > Design Team mailing lists, which wasn't smart. After all, if it's not on > > the list, it didn't happen. ;) > > That's so true... :) > > > - I think the Board has talked before about changing the content and > > function of start.fpo, but I can't remember what the consensus was. This > > is why I kept the current content and only worked on the appearance > > (just like you did). I think that's the best way to go for now. We can > > always change it in the future. > > IIRC, there was no consensus reached. > An important amount of people have concerns about us relying > on/promoting a proprietary service. There are also voices saying some > other projects receive money from Google for something like this. And > other voices pointing to the little value of having a Google search when > the default browser (Firefox) has the search box inside its UI. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:03:24 +0100 > From: Vinzenz Vietzke <v...@fedoraproject.org> > Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage > To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org> > Message-ID: <4cee265c.1070...@fedoraproject.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Am 25.11.2010 08:27, schrieb Nicu Buculei: > > IIRC, there was no consensus reached. > > An important amount of people have concerns about us relying > > on/promoting a proprietary service. There are also voices saying some > > other projects receive money from Google for something like this. And > > other voices pointing to the little value of having a Google search when > > the default browser (Firefox) has the search box inside its UI. > 1) Switching to some more free/libre web search is a honorable idea, but > IMHO there is no service around which is nearly as stable and as > reliable as google, yahoo, bing and so on. Projects like yacy are good > efforts to offer independent ways of searching but with a start page for > new users we should have an eye on highest reliability. > > 2) That's right. Ubuntu is earning money from Google and even from > Microsoft for placing Bing second on the search field. I think that can > cut both ways: On the one hand you get money for your project and can > "do something good". But on the other hand you leave the noble goals a > bit behind or even sell a piece of your soul. ;-) > At the moment Fedora is promoting Google. But why not take money for that? > > 3) The search field in Firefox is nice for users which are used to it. > But for the absolutely new user a big friendly search box in the middle > is much more comfortable. > > vinz. > -- > Vinzenz Vietzke > m: v...@fedoraproject.org > wk: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Vinz > mb: https://identi.ca/vinzv | https://twitter.com/vinzv > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:11:42 +0200 > From: Nicu Buculei <nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro> > Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage > To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org> > Message-ID: <4cee284e.90...@nicubunu.ro> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 11/25/2010 11:03 AM, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote: > > Am 25.11.2010 08:27, schrieb Nicu Buculei: > >> IIRC, there was no consensus reached. > >> An important amount of people have concerns about us relying > >> on/promoting a proprietary service. There are also voices saying some > >> other projects receive money from Google for something like this. And > >> other voices pointing to the little value of having a Google search when > >> the default browser (Firefox) has the search box inside its UI. > > 1) Switching to some more free/libre web search is a honorable idea, but > > IMHO there is no service around which is nearly as stable and as > > reliable as google, yahoo, bing and so on. Projects like yacy are good > > efforts to offer independent ways of searching but with a start page for > > new users we should have an eye on highest reliability. > > This is the Board decision to make and I remember all those points were > raised in that discussion. > > > 2) That's right. Ubuntu is earning money from Google and even from > > Microsoft for placing Bing second on the search field. I think that can > > cut both ways: On the one hand you get money for your project and can > > "do something good". But on the other hand you leave the noble goals a > > bit behind or even sell a piece of your soul. ;-) > > At the moment Fedora is promoting Google. But why not take money for > that? > > Apparently we bring them an amount of users little enough to worth money. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:03:11 +0100 > From: Vinzenz Vietzke <v...@fedoraproject.org> > Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage > To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org> > Message-ID: <4cee345f.9080...@fedoraproject.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Am 25.11.2010 10:11, schrieb Nicu Buculei: > >> At the moment Fedora is promoting Google. But why not take money for > that? > > Apparently we bring them an amount of users little enough to worth money. > > > Oh well... Should have thought of that. :) > -- > Vinzenz Vietzke > m: v...@fedoraproject.org > wk: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Vinz > mb: https://identi.ca/vinzv | https://twitter.com/vinzv > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 21:45:35 +0100 > From: "Fabian A. Scherschel" <f...@sixgun.org> > Subject: [Design-team] Fedora RPG Badge > To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org> > Message-ID: > <aanlktin=ho0=enhaolaabgyzqzo6qrmrh2h6n2v3l...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, folks! > > As promised, if woefully late (sorry, been busy killing people on stage), > my > first sketch for the PSN-like Fedora RPG badge we discussed some time ago. > Feel free to comment and whip me around for my lame panda-drawing > skills.... > > http://fabsh.fedorapeople.org/rpg/fedora-rpg-badge1.png > > > Toodle pip! > Fab > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/attachments/20101125/275b2879/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 22:50:41 +0200 > From: "ppapad...@gmail.com" <ppapad...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Design-team] Fedora RPG Badge > To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org> > Message-ID: > <aanlktinuusjsugmkurcr8kwvskgwnvwt5fwrcnuft...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Fabian A. Scherschel <f...@sixgun.org> > wrote: > > Hi, folks! > > As promised, if woefully late (sorry, been busy killing people on stage), > my > > first sketch for the PSN-like Fedora RPG badge we discussed some time > ago. > > Feel free to comment and whip me around for my lame panda-drawing > skills.... > > http://fabsh.fedorapeople.org/rpg/fedora-rpg-badge1.png > > Absolutely lovable! > > One little suggestion though... The "short tagline" should be on the > right side so the picture can be 100% of the height of the box. > > Still your panda is nice :P :) > > ~? > > > -- > Pierros Papadeas > PGP key: 0x6130DBF8 > http://pierros.papadeas.gr > pier...@papadeas.gr > liknus @ GRnet , Freenode > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 22:19:43 +0100 > From: Jef van Schendel <jefvanschen...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage > To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org> > Message-ID: > <aanlktim=0fy2d5chj=2yeai2if0zq_ltvzr48vz0z...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > 2010/11/24 Vinzenz Vietzke <v...@fedoraproject.org> > > > > I think using the same footer on "regular" websites like www.fpo or > > get.fpo is absolutely necessary. But on such a special site like > > start.fpo I think it would be better not to "rush" the user with > > content. Especially new users would just get struck by all this > > information and would overlook the search bar as core functionality. > > > > Maybe we should talk about two different sites: > > * welcome.fedoraproject.org > > Think of it looking like my v3 with a "compressed" standard footer. [1] > > This site should only contain the searching functionality since it's > > intended as browser home page. > > > > Agreed on the rushing, that's definitely an issue. However I'm not sure a > compressed footer is the best thing to do, since that means we've got two > different ones and it'll be even harder to get them consistent across all > websites. Also, most of the links in your mockup footer are also in the > header on www.fpo. If we only want to have those, we could also use the > existing menu bar somewhere, as in [1]. > > I tried to get the search functionality front and center, without removing > the footer in [2]. We can easily make the footer stick to the bottom of the > screen, so it gets out of the way but is still there if you need it. By > putting the search bar right in the middle of the screen, it's still the > most prominent object on the page. > > Another option is to hide the footer a bit. I tried making that div's > position absolute and putting the top at 90%. Doing this, only the very top > part is visible on your screen and the rest when you scroll down. I'm not > sure that's a good option though, it looks quite strange, as if something > went wrong. > > > > The only additional function I'd add would be a link named "switch to > > daily start page" or so, which updates the browser home page to a > > start.fedoraproject.org variant as stated below. > > > > * start.fedoraproject.org > > On this site I'd place things like RSS feeds, tweets, rotating photo > > galleries etc. Something like a portal but only with aggregated content > > so no daily maintenance would be needed. > > Perhaps pushing planet.fpo unfiltered to this site should be rethought > > since there are sometimes quite useless postings like "i have voted" or > > so. Maybe someone should pick the 20-30 most "valuable" ones and tell > > the blog owners about the fact that their posts will appear on > > start.fpo. In this way a little quality assurance would be given. > > > > Actually there's already a page that has most of that, the Community page > on www.fpo. We designed that just as you describe, as a kind of hub for > community information. > > Thus, I think it's best to keep all of that on the Community page, and > remove the feeds from start.fpo again. It really adds too much noise IMO. > > > Anyway, I'll give it some more thought next week. > > > As for the Google topic, those are all valid points but it's probably > something to discuss on a different list. For now, I think the content is > good enough: everybody is familiar with Google, and the CC filters add a > nice touch that for instance Firefox's search bar doesn't provide. I just > want to give start.fpo a quick facelift. :) > > Jef > > [1] http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/temp/menubar.png > [2] http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/temp/start1.png > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/attachments/20101125/62f56a47/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > design-team mailing list > design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team > > End of design-team Digest, Vol 19, Issue 11 > ******************************************* >
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