[Bug 486154] Re: System beep broken in Karmic despite heroic efforts to fix it

2011-03-31 Thread Grondr
I'm the original reporter of this bug thread. I have to say, I'm completely dissatisfied so far. Every proposal has been to effectively kick this downrange and make it someone else's problem, and I'm -particularly- unhappy that this is viewed as a window manager issue! It means the (a) behavior

[Bug 486154] Re: System beep broken in Karmic despite heroic efforts to fix it

2010-01-08 Thread Grondr
Yes, I agree re part 3---safer to leave it in as long as metacity claims responsibility. (But it has no business claiming responsibility---leave that to PulseAudio.) We haven't heard yet about getting this bug punted to the metacity folks, so it may be time take more direct action in letting them

[Bug 486154] Re: System beep broken in Karmic despite heroic efforts to fix it

2010-01-02 Thread Grondr
Okay, for anyone who's trying to restore the pre-Karmic behavior of beeping, here's what to do. It will give you old-style motherboard beeps when you hit rubout at an empty shell prompt in gnome-terminal or at an empty password prompt during gdm login; it will make xkbbell work; all rate-limiting

[Bug 486154] Re: System beep broken in Karmic despite heroic efforts to fix it

2010-01-02 Thread Grondr
Oh btw, someone else will to have to verify if the patch is well-formed; I applied it by hand, since I was poking around to verify each piece. -- System beep broken in Karmic despite heroic efforts to fix it https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/486154 You received this bug notification because you are

[Bug 486154] Re: System beep broken in Karmic despite heroic efforts to fix it

2010-01-02 Thread Grondr
Confirmed---your patch fixes the issue. Now I can migrate to Karmic without going mad. (I'll make a post showing all the extant bugs & what fixes them, since this is but one part of all the bell lossage we've discovered, but this is certainly the most-annoying one and the one that got us started.

[Bug 486154] Re: System beep broken in Karmic despite heroic efforts to fix it

2009-12-27 Thread Grondr
I can't quite reproduce your it-must-be-metacity results, because when -I- try compiz, I just lose X bells completely. BUT---metacity is -definitely- doing something wacky. Read on. Starting from metacity, xkbbell (and rubout at an empty shell prompt) "work" in the same not-really-working manner

[Bug 486154] Re: System beep broken in Karmic despite heroic efforts to fix it

2009-12-22 Thread Grondr
Yes, I had the same behavior with "killall metacity" (which I was using because I was recompiling it with various things commented out). I'll run some compiz tests and make sure I can reproduce your results. I think there -is- some negotiation going on, and I'm not sure what happens if a proce

[Bug 486154] Re: System beep broken in Karmic despite heroic efforts to fix it

2009-12-22 Thread Grondr
Aha! You've done -exactly- the debugging I was thinking of asking you to do... :) [More, even, since I didn't realize you could easily try out 9.04; I don't have any 9.04 systems and didn't really want to install one just for testing, though i guess I could. I'd assumed this was broken before th

[Bug 486154] Re: System beep broken in Karmic despite heroic efforts to fix it

2009-12-22 Thread Grondr
I'm beginning to wonder if this might be a gtk issue. Or gdm. Or gdk. Does anyone know how to tell which application might have called XkbSelectEvents or XkbChangeEnabledControls? Can I ask X somehow? For the moment, I'm reduced to, e.g., doing "apt-get --dry-run build-dep gdm", noting which p

[Bug 486154] Re: System beep broken in Karmic despite heroic efforts to fix it

2009-12-22 Thread Grondr
Oy. I know this is probably going to be an unpopular discovery, but I am no longer sure this is necessarily a metacity bug. The problem is, then, whose bug -is- it? I just spent a couple hours hacking around in the metacity source code doing things like commenting out XkbSelectEvents and XkbChan

[Bug 486154] Re: System beep broken in Karmic despite heroic efforts to fix it

2009-12-15 Thread Grondr
I've rerun all my tests. I've attached a table and legends for it, since no doubt it would otherwise be smashed by the automatic reformatting done by launchpad (is there any way to turn that off?). Note that EVERYTHING works fine in Hoary, Dapper, and Breezy. I did not test 9.04. But 9.10 has

[Bug 486154] Re: System beep broken in Karmic despite heroic efforts to fix it

2009-12-14 Thread Grondr
Robert: Re the rmmod/modprobe fandango I'm doing: I've done a bunch of testing (my next post will detail it), but I'm pretty sure what's going on with rmmod/modprobe is simply a kernel regression---if pcspkr is loaded too early, it doesn't work correctly. So if it's blacklisted, and then loaded

[Bug 486154] Re: System beep broken in Karmic despite heroic efforts to fix it

2009-12-11 Thread Grondr
Robert: Thanks for the summary. I'm going to prepare a little table for the studio audience to try to make things clearer, especially since you correctly pointed out in comment #27 that there's ambiguity over whether I'm talking about bell.ogg or the squarewave beep coming out of line-out (whoops

[Bug 486154] Re: System beep broken in Karmic despite heroic efforts to fix it

2009-12-10 Thread Grondr
[IG: I don't understand your comments re the bell working in metacity -instead of- compiz. If that's true, you're talking about something different than we are. You should also strive to be more precise in your description. For example, when you say "system bell", I'm not sure if you're talking

[Bug 486154] Re: System beep broken in Karmic despite heroic efforts to fix it

2009-12-10 Thread Grondr
Thanks! I just put a pointer in your bug back to here, so hopefully people will see both and figure out if we're talking about the same thing. -- System beep broken in Karmic despite heroic efforts to fix it https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/486154 You received this bug notification because you ar

[Bug 486154] Re: System beep broken in Karmic despite heroic efforts to fix it

2009-12-10 Thread Grondr
Daniel: If this bug is truly independent of PulseAudio, then why does renaming /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo/bell.ogg change the behavior? If your argument is that libcanberra is looking at that file, then why is it necessary to remove a -PA- cache file to fix the bell after renaming the file ba