Sometimes developers don't know what is best for their user base.
But in this instance, I think the decision is fine.
Xchat-gnome has issues in itself (removing features such as the clear chat
buffer option, meaning I can't hit CTRL+L as I could before, and can in Gaim).
I still use it currentl
On Sun, 2006-05-07 at 14:34 +, Ewan Mac Mahon wrote:
> Where was this discussed by the devs? I've just been back over the
> ubuntu-devel list archives and I'm not seeing a 'let's remove xchat'
> thread anywhere.
As far as I know it wasn't discussed on the mailing list. It is likely
that the di
Where was this discussed by the devs? I've just been back over the
ubuntu-devel list archives and I'm not seeing a 'let's remove xchat'
thread anywhere.
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I think the problem here could be solved if gaim were to improve IRC support.
As it is now, gaim performs very poorly in large chatrooms, which is precisely
the type of chatroom that Live Support will be using. There is a significant
lag, it seems to use more resources, and there is no highligh
On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 21:30 +, Peter Garrett wrote:
> On Wed, 03 May 2006 13:40:24 -
> Matthew East <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Please bear in mind the code of conduct when phrasing further responses
> > to this bug (this applies to those supporting either side of the
> > argument).
>
On Wed, 03 May 2006 13:40:24 -
Matthew East <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Please bear in mind the code of conduct when phrasing further responses
> to this bug (this applies to those supporting either side of the
> argument).
So far I haven't seen anything that even remotely breaks the code of
On Wed, 03 May 2006 13:13:04 -
Andrew Conkling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Since this has been discussed by the development team already, I'm
closing this.
If this is a reason to close the bug, then I fear for the future of
Ubuntu as a community.
Is the community supposed to meekly accept
I still find the rationale a bit skinny, personally. Like Andrew Conkling said,
it's vital to have at least some way of connecting to IRC. Sure, GAIM does do
this, but I don't understand how it isn't simply obligatory to include a
program that specializes in providing access to a certain Interne
The Live Support spec helps the user "find their way to IRC" by making it
almost completely automated. A user that wants to benefit from the extra bells
and whistles of Xchat can install it instead of or in addition to Gaim.
*An* IRC program is vital; I'll agree there. But using Gaim over Xcha
On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 13:23 +, michiel wrote:
> Really, what is the response when we say that
> it's an extremely useful application that's
> vital to the users being able to find their way
> towards IRC when they need help?
The response, as I understand it, is that IRC is not considered to be
Excuse me? Stop whining?
We're raising valid points which you are not countering by the reasons the
Ubuntu dev team might have had when they discussed this. Really, what is the
response when we say that it's an extremely useful application that's vital to
the users being able to find their way
I say y'all stop whining. If you want Xchat, you can install it. Gaim does
IRC fine enough for use (it's all I use, actually), and it's a fine base client
for those that don't use IRC often (whom Ubuntu is targetting AFAIK).
We're not removing it completely, folks, just not installing it by de
I agree with people complaining about the removal of Xchat-Gnome.
Gaim's IRC support is quite basic and it is clearly not the easiest (nor the
most friendly) way to connect to IRC.
Moreover, why should the Kubuntu users be able to use a "real" IRC client but
not the Ubuntu ones ?
Kopete and Konv
One of the basic things I'd expect in a default install of a Linux
desktop distro is a specialised IRC client, I don't really care about
getting support for Ubuntu. It's a pity that XChat-GNOME has been
removed, Gaim's IRC functionality just won't cut it. Please get it back
in. Besides e-mail and i
I find that slightly bizarre. Since when is X-Chat as default program solely
for people who "like IRC"? For one thing, it's about being able to give support
to people. The Ubuntu channels are very well-populated and pretty much the
easiest way for someone to quickly get help without having to re
I recently blogged [1] about this issue and explained why i think it's a bad
idea to remove xchat-gnome.
To resume :
* The main argument for the removing of XChat-GNOME was that Gaim can be used
for IRC chat and so it's redundant. Personally i don't like (and so don't use)
Gaim for my jabber ch
On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 02:25 +, Peter Garrett wrote:
> How exactly is it a feature to expect people to use an app that isn't really
> purpose-designed for IRC ?
It's a feature that a good irc client has been removed from the distro,
because irc is not a particularly common use case. MSN is muc
Matthew East says: "I'm afraid this isn't a bug, but rather a feature."
I'm intrigued by this. How exactly is it a feature to expect people to use an
app that isn't really purpose-designed for IRC ?
There are times when a new user is told to use certain commands in their IRC
client that simply
hear, not here... must proofread bug-reports better!
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I'm re-opening this, because I'd really like to here from some of the
developers or packagers about leaving XChat or XChat-Gnome out of Dapper.
I've just spent a couple of hours using Gaim in Dapper Beta (LiveCD) and for
basic IRC it has a fairly bad UI, and seems worse than XChat-Gnome would be
Thanks for your report. The removal of xchat from Ubuntu was an extremely
deliberate decision, and the advantages and disadvantages were debated at
length by the development team. I feel sure that the points you mention were
included in that debate.
I'm afraid this isn't a bug, but rather a fea
Thanks for your bug.
According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLiveChatSupport , this is intended,
and a Help-wizard will make it easy to get on #ubuntu with gaim.
Of course, for further stuff (channels, servers) you might still want to use
xchat, but if you really want to use IRC you'll prob
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