Re: [Bug 696115] Re: Timezone should not require superuser on laptop

2011-01-05 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Le mercredi 05 janvier 2011 à 07:49 +, gpk a écrit : Essentially, the trade-off is a minor convenience 99.999% of the time, versus a modest (or major) disaster 0.001% of the time. That's also exactly how I'd describe the idea of allowing all users to set timezone without authentication on

Re: [Bug 696115] Re: Timezone should not require superuser on laptop

2011-01-05 Thread gpk
On 05/01/11 12:34, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: Le mercredi 05 janvier 2011 à 07:49 +, gpk a écrit : Essentially, the trade-off is a minor convenience 99.999% of the time, versus a modest (or major) disaster 0.001% of the time. That's also exactly how I'd describe the idea of allowing all

Re: [Bug 696115] Re: Timezone should not require superuser on laptop

2011-01-05 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Le mercredi 05 janvier 2011 à 20:28 +, gpk a écrit : No thanks. People love to add features. You can't stop someone who has a pet idea that they haven't thought through very carefully.They just produce self-justifying reasons and don't listen. That's an idea that came from

Re: [Bug 696115] Re: Timezone should not require superuser on laptop

2011-01-04 Thread gpk
Actually, on consideration, I don't think that automatic detection of the timezone is a viable solution.It suffers from all kinds of potential problems like What does it do if it's connected to a VPN?. If I connect via VPN to my office in the UK when I'm in France, I'd get the

Re: [Bug 696115] Re: Timezone should not require superuser on laptop

2011-01-04 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Le mardi 04 janvier 2011 à 15:51 +, gpk a écrit : Actually, on consideration, I don't think that automatic detection of the timezone is a viable solution.It suffers from all kinds of potential problems like What does it do if it's connected to a VPN?. If I connect via VPN to

Re: [Bug 696115] Re: Timezone should not require superuser on laptop

2011-01-04 Thread gpk
On 04/01/11 20:52, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: Le mardi 04 janvier 2011 à 15:51 +, gpk a écrit : Actually, on consideration, I don't think that automatic detection of the timezone is a viable solution.It suffers from all kinds of potential problems like What does it do if it's

[Bug 696115] Re: Timezone should not require superuser on laptop

2011-01-01 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Everybody shouldn't be allowed to set the system timezone by default, as it affects all users on the system. If you don't have administrator rights on your laptop, you can ask the administrator to grant you the rights for the org.gnome.clock.mechanism.settimezone PolicyKit action, but this

[Bug 696115] Re: Timezone should not require superuser on laptop

2011-01-01 Thread gpk
Oh, that's silly! It's a laptop, darn it!The other users will (almost certainly) be on the console, and they'll be in the same time zone your are in. (Unless they have *very* long arms.) What you are proposing is not the normal use case for a laptop -- you seem to be thinking that I carry

[Bug 696115] Re: Timezone should not require superuser on laptop

2011-01-01 Thread gpk
Sorry. Let me be a bit more formal. I suggest that laptops are either: 1) single user in which case changing the time zone won't hurt other users, 2) physically shared amongst several people -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is

[Bug 696115] Re: Timezone should not require superuser on laptop

2011-01-01 Thread gpk
Sorry. Let me be a bit more formal. I suggest that laptops are either: 1) single user * in which case changing the time zone won't hurt other users, or 2) physically shared amongst several people * in which case, they are in the same time zone, and if one user sets the zone, that is a

[Bug 696115] Re: Timezone should not require superuser on laptop

2011-01-01 Thread Charlie Kravetz
the changes you are requesting aren't really a bug and require more discussion, which should be done on an appropriate mailing list or forum. http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists might be a good start for determining which mailing list to use. As stated above, the answer for an

[Bug 696115] Re: Timezone should not require superuser on laptop

2011-01-01 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
We can't change PolicyKit permissions depending on whether the system is a laptop or not. So we'd have to make the change for all systems, which is not necessarily what people expect. And even laptops can be used e.g. in kiosks or schools, where you don't want people to play with system settings.

[Bug 696115] Re: Timezone should not require superuser on laptop

2011-01-01 Thread Vish
Alan , we dont assign bugs to the team. Usually bug is assigned to folks *fixing* the bug, not to folks triaging the bug. for more info : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Assignment ** Changed in: gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) Assignee: Ubuntu BugSquad Mentorship group α

Re: [Bug 696115] Re: Timezone should not require superuser on laptop

2011-01-01 Thread gpk
OK.I agree it would not make sense as the desktop default. On 01/01/11 14:53, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: We can't change PolicyKit permissions depending on whether the system is a laptop or not. So we'd have to make the change for all systems, which is not necessarily what people expect.

Re: [Bug 696115] Re: Timezone should not require superuser on laptop

2011-01-01 Thread Alan Burgess
Yes, I figured as much. I didn't intend to do that, but then I couldn't figure out how to un-assign it. Sorry, still learning how the bugtracker works. If I see a bug that I think I can help with, is it ok for me to leave comments in the bugtracker? On this particular bug, I only brought it up

[Bug 696115] Re: Timezone should not require superuser on laptop

2010-12-31 Thread gpk
-- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-system-tools in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/696115 Title: Timezone should not require superuser on laptop -- desktop-bugs mailing list

[Bug 696115] Re: Timezone should not require superuser on laptop

2010-12-31 Thread Alan Burgess
** Changed in: gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu BugSquad Mentorship group α (bugsquad-mentorship-group-alpha) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to gnome-system-tools in ubuntu.