Re: Default Theme Progress

2005-02-28 Thread Seth Nickell
> > Well, sorry Jeff, but this email pretty much says that that's the intention > > and the action towards its realization: > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2005-February/msg00458.html > > I agree with Jeff here. When I read that story on osnews, my reaction > was "What the fu

Re: Default Theme Progress

2005-02-28 Thread Jeff Waugh
> I agree with Jeff here. When I read that story on osnews, my reaction was > "What the fuck? Since when does _redhat_ decide which theme is going to be > the default theme for gnome? They can decide the default gnome theme for > redhat all they want, but they can't do that for gnome proper" I'm

Re: Default Theme Progress

2005-02-28 Thread Chipzz
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005, Eugenia Loli-Queru wrote: > > >> > Yup. We'll try to add it to CVS as soon as we fork from 2.10. > >> > >> Great news! ClearLooks is indeed a great theme. > > > > I would greatly appreciate some restraint of your Slashdot trigger finger > > in > > the future. "ClearLooks to be

Re: Default Theme Progress

2005-02-28 Thread Seth Nickell
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:15:45 +1100, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > At that point, Seth's email was *crystal clear* that this WILL be the > > default theme of Gnome 2.12. > > Seth confirmed that we were TALKING about the default theme for 2.12, not > that we had DECIDED on the defau

Re: Default Theme Progress

2005-02-28 Thread Jeff Waugh
> At that point, Seth's email was *crystal clear* that this WILL be the > default theme of Gnome 2.12. Seth confirmed that we were TALKING about the default theme for 2.12, not that we had DECIDED on the default theme for 2.12. The only crystal clear point made in Seth and Diana's mail is that C

Re: Intltool and disting of .gmo files

2005-02-28 Thread James Henstridge
Rodney Dawes wrote: Currently, intltool is distributing the generated .gmo files, within tarballs. Christian Persch recently filed a bug against intltool, as this still causes some issues with builddir != srcdir. I'd prefer to not duplicate generated files if possible. If anyone has sufficient reas

Re: Default Theme Progress

2005-02-28 Thread Eugenia Loli-Queru
> Yup. We'll try to add it to CVS as soon as we fork from 2.10. Great news! ClearLooks is indeed a great theme. I would greatly appreciate some restraint of your Slashdot trigger finger in the future. "ClearLooks to be Default Theme on Gnome 2.12" is not even close to an accurate description of S

Re: Default Theme Progress

2005-02-28 Thread Jeff Waugh
> > Yup. We'll try to add it to CVS as soon as we fork from 2.10. > > Great news! ClearLooks is indeed a great theme. I would greatly appreciate some restraint of your Slashdot trigger finger in the future. "ClearLooks to be Default Theme on Gnome 2.12" is not even close to an accurate descript

Re: Default Theme Progress

2005-02-28 Thread Eugenia Loli-Queru
Though Clearlooks is a very pleasant theme overall, I find that _inset_ menu bar definitely weird, and contrasts with just about any other theme out there. It gives me a strange and uncomfortable feeling looking at that menu bar :| it is a gtkrc option, so we could turn it off for the default t

Re: Default Theme Progress

2005-02-28 Thread Jeff Waugh
> I recall a positive comment about Clearlooks from someone in the Ubuntu > world too (jdub?). I've been looking at Clearlooks since 0.2.2, but very seriously since 0.3. There are only a few changes here and there that I'd like to suggest, but I'll chat to Richard and Daniel about those. It migh

Re: Default Theme Progress

2005-02-28 Thread Tom von Schwerdtner
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:47:07 +, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 17:14 -0500, Diana Fong wrote: > >We collected a few more theme possibilities and had some brief > >discussions on http://live.gnome.org/NewDefaultTheme . > > > >After looking them over,

Re: Default Theme Progress

2005-02-28 Thread Steven Garrity
Rodney Dawes wrote: Steven Garrity wrote: Hey Novell people: what about you guys? Any interest in Clearlooks? I've none really. It looks like Bluecurve. Whoo. There's nothing particularly special about it. Same stuff, different colors. It's not as ugly as "Simple" was, but few things are really.

Re: Default Theme Progress

2005-02-28 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 18:27 -0400, Steven Garrity wrote: > Hey Novell people: what about you guys? Any interest in Clearlooks? I've none really. It looks like Bluecurve. Whoo. There's nothing particularly special about it. Same stuff, different colors. It's not as ugly as "Simple" was, but few th

Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 23:23 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: > Matthias has a nice explanation of what is possibly happening: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146075#c89 > > I'm not sure it explains why the patch [1] works around the problem, > though. > > [1] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/at

Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Christopher Aillon
Elijah Newren wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:21:40 -0500, Christopher Aillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Someone point me in the right direction, then. I'll get this supported in Firefox and Mozilla upstream. Sweet! I've been trying to get myself oriented in Mozilla code today. Hopefully this mea

Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Elijah Newren
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:55:23 -0700, Elijah Newren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:21:40 -0500, Christopher Aillon > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Someone point me in the right direction, then. I'll get this supported > > in Firefox and Mozilla upstream. Oh, and here's the

Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Elijah Newren
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:21:40 -0500, Christopher Aillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Elijah Newren wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:43:35 -0500, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>The bug we have a handle on- go elijah go! > >>166722: gnome_url_show needs to use startup-notification

Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Christopher Aillon
Elijah Newren wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:43:35 -0500, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The bug we have a handle on- go elijah go! 166722: gnome_url_show needs to use startup-notification and take a timestamp parameter- basically, this is the 'when i open a webpage from xchat, the browser n

Re: Default Theme Progress

2005-02-28 Thread Eugenia Loli-Queru
Yup. We'll try to add it to CVS as soon as we fork from 2.10. Great news! ClearLooks is indeed a great theme. I helped out a bit the two main developers of the theme with usability (Richard, Daniel thank you for putting up with me :), but I always had on my todo list to send an email to this li

Re: Default Theme Progress

2005-02-28 Thread Seth Nickell
> Just so we're very, very, VERY clear on this, we are talking about > the default theme for 2.12 right? Yup. We'll try to add it to CVS as soon as we fork from 2.10. -Seth ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gn

Re: Default Theme Progress

2005-02-28 Thread Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro
On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 17:14 -0500, Diana Fong wrote: >We collected a few more theme possibilities and had some brief >discussions on http://live.gnome.org/NewDefaultTheme . > >After looking them over, we felt Clearlooks >( http://live.gnome.org/ClearLooks ) was the strongest. After looking at >a l

Re: Default Theme Progress

2005-02-28 Thread Shaun McCance
On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 17:14 -0500, Diana Fong wrote: >We collected a few more theme possibilities and had some brief >discussions on http://live.gnome.org/NewDefaultTheme . > >After looking them over, we felt Clearlooks >( http://live.gnome.org/ClearLooks ) was the strongest. After looking at >a l

Re: Default Theme Progress

2005-02-28 Thread Steven Garrity
Diana Fong wrote: After looking them over, we felt Clearlooks ( http://live.gnome.org/ClearLooks ) was the strongest. After looking at a lot of themes, they all started to look similar (gradient here, rounded there, etc). Clearlooks is not particularly exceptional in this regard, but it does look g

Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Vincent Untz
Le lundi 28 fÃvrier 2005 Ã 13:20 -0500, Havoc Pennington a Ãcrit : >On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 19:13 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: >> Currently, the stack trace with --sync is, IIRC, this: >> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128317#c19 > >Looking at the code, I'm a bit skeptical that's with --sy

Default Theme Progress

2005-02-28 Thread Diana Fong
We collected a few more theme possibilities and had some brief discussions on http://live.gnome.org/NewDefaultTheme . After looking them over, we felt Clearlooks ( http://live.gnome.org/ClearLooks ) was the strongest. After looking at a lot of themes, they all started to look similar (gradient he

Re: vte [was Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers]

2005-02-28 Thread Kjartan Maraas
man, 28,.02.2005 kl. 15.41 -0500, skrev Nalin Dahyabhai: >On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 10:37:56AM -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: >> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:21:42 +0100, Sven Herzberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > I already asked Nalin about this, unfortunately I didn't get a reply from >> > him. >> >> A

gtkhtml branched

2005-02-28 Thread Radek Doulík
Hi all, gtkhtml module has been branched for Evolution 2.2/GNOME 2.10. The branch name is gnome-2-10, the branch point was tagged as gnome-2-10-branchpoint. Cheers Radek ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mai

Re: vte [was Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers]

2005-02-28 Thread Nalin Dahyabhai
On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 10:37:56AM -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:21:42 +0100, Sven Herzberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I already asked Nalin about this, unfortunately I didn't get a reply from > > him. > > Anyone have a problem with Sven taking over? Speak up now or fo

Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Elijah Newren
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:59:31 -0500, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > (3) Crispin and Christian have already added code to Galeon and > > Epiphany to try to make them handle not being launched with startup > > notification (from a quick glance at the code, I think they could do a > > littl

Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Ray Strode
Hi Luis, > And of course the number of patches in the fedora vte package (Kjartan > told me the count was 23) tells me that at least some of the OS > vendors /are/ distracted by it. Actually there are ~7, I think. 2 of them were written by Nalin and are in upstream CVS and 3 or 4 of them were don

Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Elijah Newren
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:59:31 -0500, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:35:28 -0700, Elijah Newren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I should point out a few things here: > > (1) I think this bug can be punted, given a small change to nautilus > > and gnome-terminal to make

Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Havoc Pennington
On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 19:13 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: > Currently, the stack trace with --sync is, IIRC, this: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128317#c19 Looking at the code, I'm a bit skeptical that's with --sync. If it were, then the X error should have happened when the X request

Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Havoc Pennington
On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 19:13 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: > Le lundi 28 fÃvrier 2005 Ã 12:37 -0500, Havoc Pennington a Ãcrit : > >On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 17:02 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: > >> On Mon, February 28, 2005 16:43, Luis Villa said: > >> > 146075 Crash while adding images to desktop- there ar

Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Vincent Untz
Le lundi 28 fÃvrier 2005 Ã 12:37 -0500, Havoc Pennington a Ãcrit : >On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 17:02 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: >> On Mon, February 28, 2005 16:43, Luis Villa said: >> > 146075 Crash while adding images to desktop- there are a ton of >> > dups here, and it can still be duplicated in

Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Mike Hearn
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:31:24 -0500, Havoc Pennington wrote: > Of course, if we do get J Random Enthusiastic and they do screw up we > can always ship an old release tag of VTE, so I guess there's no genuine > danger other than hurt feelings. Somebody could do a friendly fork and create a "new" emu

Intltool and disting of .gmo files

2005-02-28 Thread Rodney Dawes
Currently, intltool is distributing the generated .gmo files, within tarballs. Christian Persch recently filed a bug against intltool, as this still causes some issues with builddir != srcdir. I'd prefer to not duplicate generated files if possible. If anyone has sufficient reason as to why they sh

Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Luis Villa
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:35:28 -0700, Elijah Newren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:43:35 -0500, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The bug we have a handle on- go elijah go! > > 166722: gnome_url_show needs to use startup-notification and take a > > timestamp parameter-

Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Luis Villa
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:31:24 -0500, Havoc Pennington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 23:17 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > > On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 10:43 -0500, Luis Villa wrote: > > >122150 gnome-termnal 2.4.0.1 won't "redraw" text lines properly- > > >redrawing is broken and h

Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Jim Gettys
And note that good old xterm has active maintenance and development (Thomas Dickey). For all its warts and non-hig-complying problems, there is an alternative that is very solid in the way of general terminal emulation. It is far from clear to me that vte needs more than typical maintenance, lack

Re: vte [was Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers]

2005-02-28 Thread Elijah Newren
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:21:42 +0100, Sven Herzberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I already asked Nalin about this, unfortunately I didn't get a reply from him. Anyone have a problem with Sven taking over? Speak up now or forever hold your peace. (I know Kjartan tried long and hard to contact Nalin

Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Havoc Pennington
On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 17:02 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: > On Mon, February 28, 2005 16:43, Luis Villa said: > > 146075 Crash while adding images to desktop- there are a ton of > > dups here, and it can still be duplicated in 2.9.90, apparently. > > This bug is mainly caused by bug #128317. Som

Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Elijah Newren
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:43:35 -0500, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The bug we have a handle on- go elijah go! > 166722: gnome_url_show needs to use startup-notification and take a > timestamp parameter- basically, this is the 'when i open a webpage > from xchat, the browser never pops to

Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Havoc Pennington
On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 23:17 +0700, Ross Golder wrote: > On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 10:43 -0500, Luis Villa wrote: > >122150 gnome-termnal 2.4.0.1 won't "redraw" text lines properly- > >redrawing is broken and has been for a long time. Given that vte is > >defacto unmaintained, and there is a patch

Re: vte [was Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers]

2005-02-28 Thread Sven Herzberg
I already asked Nalin about this, unfortunately I didn't get a reply from him. Regards, Sven -Original Message- From: Luis Villa To: Ross Golder Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:46:40 -0500 Subject: vte [was Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers] On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:17:08 +07

vte [was Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers]

2005-02-28 Thread Luis Villa
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:17:08 +0700, Ross Golder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 10:43 -0500, Luis Villa wrote: > >122150 gnome-termnal 2.4.0.1 won't "redraw" text lines properly- > >redrawing is broken and has been for a long time. Given that vte is > >defacto unmaintaine

Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Ross Golder
On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 10:43 -0500, Luis Villa wrote: >122150 gnome-termnal 2.4.0.1 won't "redraw" text lines properly- >redrawing is broken and has been for a long time. Given that vte is >defacto unmaintained, and there is a patch that has been tested for a >while now in gentoo, this just

Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Vincent Untz
On Mon, February 28, 2005 16:43, Luis Villa said: > 146075Crash while adding images to desktop- there are a ton of > dups here, and it can still be duplicated in 2.9.90, apparently. This bug is mainly caused by bug #128317. Someone made a really simple patch [1] for this bug that seems to

Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Kjartan Maraas
man, 28,.02.2005 kl. 10.43 -0500, skrev Luis Villa: >OK, all... we've been nagging about the showstoppers for a while now >and had medium-to-poor success on them. By my count: > >http://tinyurl.com/657ob > >We're now down to 7, one or two of which are puntable, but many of >which are extremely emba

houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Luis Villa
OK, all... we've been nagging about the showstoppers for a while now and had medium-to-poor success on them. By my count: http://tinyurl.com/657ob We're now down to 7, one or two of which are puntable, but many of which are extremely embarassing and some of which even have patches. Yes, some of t

Re: translators tried hard but...

2005-02-28 Thread Nikos Charonitakis
now that 2.10 is approaching i would like to remind this issue On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:56:47 +0100, Mark McLoughlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > Here's my take: > > - Ideally every module should make a release when tarballs are called > for unless there hasn't been a single co

Re: translators tried hard but...

2005-02-28 Thread Martin Willemoes Hansen
man, 28 02 2005 kl. 14:13 +0200, skrev Nikos Charonitakis: > now that 2.10 is approaching i would like to remind this issue Sounds like a very very very good idea! > > On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:56:47 +0100, Mark McLoughlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > Here's my take: > > > > -