Re: Mono/GTK#/Tomboy

2006-07-16 Thread Alex Graveley
Hi Murray, As I hinted at back in April[1], I don't think Tomboy is a blanket replacement for sticky notes. As I said, into the abyss, a first-run wizard for importing existing sticky notes makes more sense. I'm somewhat unfamiliar with the GNOME acceptance process. Was I expected to do this

Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al

2006-07-16 Thread Luis Felipe Strano Moraes
On 7/15/06, Iain * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Diva > > > > Same as monodevelop. > > Umm, no, its a video editor...same as pitivi. I believe he was making a reference to the comment he made for monodevelop. > > Do we really need an audio/video editor in gnome??? > > > > > Jokosher > > > > Or

Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al

2006-07-16 Thread Luis Felipe Strano Moraes
On 7/16/06, Luis Felipe Strano Moraes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IMHO, the program on that list that most likely should become a part > of regular gnome is beagle. I haven't seen tracker yet, gonna take a look > at it later. Tracker is listed as being on version 0.0.4, and I couldn't find much i

Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al

2006-07-16 Thread Jeroen Zwartepoorte
On 7/15/06, Chipzz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mono: > > F-spot > > Image viewer, really non-essential. Come on, Eye of Gnome is an image viewer. F-Spot is a photo management application (like iPhoto). Try asking Mac users if iPhoto is non-essential. Jeroen

Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al

2006-07-16 Thread Jamie McCracken
Iain * wrote: > On 7/15/06, Chipzz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Beagle >> Quite important IMO, but we have tracker as a replacement. > > I'm not holding my breath for tracker really...Call it a hunch, or > female intuition or something... > Well I suggest you try it rather than dismiss it o

Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al

2006-07-16 Thread Jamie McCracken
Luis Felipe Strano Moraes wrote: > On 7/16/06, Luis Felipe Strano Moraes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> IMHO, the program on that list that most likely should become a part >> of regular gnome is beagle. I haven't seen tracker yet, gonna take a look >> at it later. > > Tracker is listed as being on

Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al

2006-07-16 Thread Jamie McCracken
Jamie McCracken wrote: > Iain * wrote: >> On 7/15/06, Chipzz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Beagle >>> Quite important IMO, but we have tracker as a replacement. >> I'm not holding my breath for tracker really...Call it a hunch, or >> female intuition or something... >> > > Well I suggest you

Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al

2006-07-16 Thread Chipzz
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Luis Felipe Strano Moraes wrote: > On 7/15/06, Iain * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > Diva >> > >> > Same as monodevelop. >> >> Umm, no, its a video editor...same as pitivi. > > I believe he was making a reference to the comment he made for monodevelop. Indeed. >> > Do we

Re: Time to heat up the new module discussion

2006-07-16 Thread Vincent Untz
Hi, Ghee, On jeu, 2006-07-13 at 16:08 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Rodrigo Moya wrote: > > >On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 14:16 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > > > > > >>And the big question: We currently allow desktop modules to depend on > >>the pygtk bindings, but no others. Should we extend th

Re: Time to heat up the new module discussion

2006-07-16 Thread Vincent Untz
Hi, I'm glad to see the flamewar already started ;-) On mar, 2006-07-11 at 14:16 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > So, to start of the discussion, the proposed modules AFAIR are: > * orca (as a replacement to gnopernicus) Yes > * alacarte It's better than the current menu editor. I guess we'll h

Re: Mono/GTK#/Tomboy

2006-07-16 Thread Vincent Untz
On ven, 2006-07-14 at 12:10 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: > The main point about performance is whether users think it is a good > deal. > > So Firefox eats 400 MB. Do I think it's a good deal? Absolutely! It's > the best browser out there. > > So Tomboy eats 15 MB. Do I think it's a g

Re: Mono/GTK#/Tomboy

2006-07-16 Thread Vincent Untz
Hi Alex, On sam, 2006-07-15 at 18:10 -0700, Alex Graveley wrote: > Hi Murray, > > As I hinted at back in April[1], I don't think Tomboy is a blanket > replacement for sticky notes. As I said, into the abyss, a first-run > wizard for importing existing sticky notes makes more sense. > > I'm so

Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al

2006-07-16 Thread Iain *
> > Ubuntu, Gentoo, and the other distros should come with a music editor, > > a video editor, and everything else. The discussion here I believe is what > > should be made part of the basic gnome distribution, and I think that > > music/video editors might not qualify. > > That's exactly what I me

Re: Killing the splashscreen for 2.16

2006-07-16 Thread Calum Benson
On 16 Jul 2006, at 01:46, Alex Graveley wrote: > > What about showing the splash screen after 5 seconds of visual > inactivity? Or maybe even just note how long it took to log in last time, and only bother showing a splash screen if it was more than 10 seconds, because that's probably how

New pessulus co-maintainer

2006-07-16 Thread Vincent Untz
Hi, At GUADEC, Rob Bradford proposed to help maintaining pessulus and I'm happy to give him this burden^Wopportunity. Please welcome him, hug him, etc. He will try to fix all my bugs and add some cool features. I'll continue to introduce bugs in the code to keep him active for some time. Rob, in

Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al

2006-07-16 Thread Hubert Figuiere
Iain * gmail.com> writes: > Why do we feel we are able to "bless" a terminal program and a text > editor and a clock, but unable to do the same to a video editor or an > audio editor? There is a huge difference between essential programs (editor, terminal) and specific applications (photo manage

Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al

2006-07-16 Thread Calum Benson
On 15 Jul 2006, at 23:43, Iain * wrote: > On 7/15/06, Chipzz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Or a music editor??? > > Well, it hasn't harmed apple in any way. FWIW, GarageBand isn't part of OSX though... granted it currently ships with all new Macs, but if you go out and buy OSX off the shelf

Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al

2006-07-16 Thread Calum Benson
On 16 Jul 2006, at 09:36, Jeroen Zwartepoorte wrote: > On 7/15/06, Chipzz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Mono: >>> F-spot >> >> Image viewer, really non-essential. > > Come on, Eye of Gnome is an image viewer. F-Spot is a photo management > application (like iPhoto). Try asking Mac users if iPhot

Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al

2006-07-16 Thread Lluis Sanchez
> That's exactly what I meant. Windows starting to be shipped (well, > starting...) with everything but the kitchen sink, and I hate that too. > I don't even *have* a camera, why would I need a video editor??? > > The question that I'm asking, and which we should be asking ourselves > is, does gn

Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al

2006-07-16 Thread Iain *
On 7/16/06, Hubert Figuiere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Iain * gmail.com> writes: > > > Why do we feel we are able to "bless" a terminal program and a text > > editor and a clock, but unable to do the same to a video editor or an > > audio editor? > > There is a huge difference between essential

Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al

2006-07-16 Thread Calum Benson
On 16 Jul 2006, at 17:57, Lluis Sanchez wrote: > > It's not so important which applications do gnome include, since > distros > can take this decision, depending on the specific target of the > distro. Up to a point... although a distro's choice of application is also somewhat influenced b

focus! (was Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al)

2006-07-16 Thread Havoc Pennington
Iain * wrote: > > Really? > depends on your context... > For some people a terminal and text editor are completely worthless, > but take away photo management > > Once again, who are we targetting with the desktop. Apple know who > they're targetting, which is probably why text editor and ter

Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al

2006-07-16 Thread Iain *
On 7/16/06, Hubert Figuiere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BTW what about providing the Office suite first? Because Gnome > penetration is first into large "business" [1] deployment, and and > Office suite is more likely to hit that target. We still don't, but > distribution vendors do. I have no p

Re: Mono/GTK#/Tomboy

2006-07-16 Thread Murray Cumming
On Sat, 2006-07-15 at 18:10 -0700, Alex Graveley wrote: > Hi Murray, > > As I hinted at back in April[1], I don't think Tomboy is a blanket > replacement for sticky notes. As I said, into the abyss, a first-run > wizard for importing existing sticky notes makes more sense. In my opinion, havin

Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al

2006-07-16 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 15:32 +, Hubert Figuiere wrote: > Iain * gmail.com> writes: > > > Why do we feel we are able to "bless" a terminal program and a text > > editor and a clock, but unable to do the same to a video editor or an > > audio editor? > > There is a huge difference between essen

Ideas for Integrating The Document-Oriented Web into GNOME

2006-07-16 Thread Alex Jones
Try disabling the http URI handler for GNOME. When you click a link to a PNG image, EOG starts up. Click a link to an M3U file, and Totem starts up. What happens, is that GNOME-VFS determines the MIME-type of the target file with a HTTP HEAD request, and, exactly the same as with local files, aut

Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al

2006-07-16 Thread David Nielsen
søn, 16 07 2006 kl. 23:40 +0200, skrev Rodrigo Moya: > On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 15:32 +, Hubert Figuiere wrote: > > Iain * gmail.com> writes: > > > > > Why do we feel we are able to "bless" a terminal program and a text > > > editor and a clock, but unable to do the same to a video editor or an

Re: Ideas for Integrating The Document-Oriented Web into GNOME

2006-07-16 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Alex Jones wrote: > Try disabling the http URI handler for GNOME. > > > [...] preferred application with that URI. I didn't know that this behaviour existed right now. Thank you for the hint ;-) > 2. A simple web page viewer, sans-location entry. Something that > embeds Mozilla and

Re: Wiki changes [Was: Personas]

2006-07-16 Thread James Henstridge
On 16/07/06, David Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can you tell me how? The little feed icon's gone, and I couldn't find an > rss action. Still seems available as here: http://live.gnome.org/RecentChanges?action=rss_rc There is a comment at the top of that page explaining the various options

Re: Time to heat up the new module discussion

2006-07-16 Thread Jason D. Clinton
Replying from off-list, pardon the break. At the encouragement of various important parties on #gnome-hackers, I am posting a copy of this from my blog in an effort to help focus the Pro/Con-Mono argument. I am not taking any side. This is only a summary. So, I spent two hours reading every email

Re: Time to heat up the new module discussion

2006-07-16 Thread David Nielsen
søn, 16 07 2006 kl. 23:33 -0500, skrev Jason D. Clinton: While you provided a fine run down of arguments, I believe you forgot a vital one, Mono can be optimized, we can cut down ressource consumption, we can indeed do better - we cannot however make C development as fast development in C#, nor as

Re: Mono/GTK#/Tomboy

2006-07-16 Thread Alex Graveley
The thing is that the user models are very different. If a sticky notes user is accustomed to always seeing his notes on his desktop, all at the same time, if after an upgrade his notes are locked away in a menu with no easy way to get them all to display again, he might be confused and probab

Re: Time to heat up the new module discussion

2006-07-16 Thread Murray Cumming
[snip] > So, I spent two hours reading every email sent in April, May and July > about including Mono as an official part of the GNOME platform That hasn't been proposed, as far as I know. It's been proposed for the Platform Bindings. [snip] Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.o

Re: focus! (was Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al)

2006-07-16 Thread Murray Cumming
[snip] > Don't call the desktop release "desktop" either because it's too vague. > More specific examples might be an "enterprise unix/linux GUI" release, > or "tech-oriented consumer/hobbyist" release or "tech workstation > release" or "high-powered MS Office user in an office release" or > "compu

Re: Time to heat up the new module discussion

2006-07-16 Thread Jürg Billeter
On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 07:55 +0200, David Nielsen wrote: > søn, 16 07 2006 kl. 23:33 -0500, skrev Jason D. Clinton: > > While you provided a fine run down of arguments, I believe you forgot a > vital one, Mono can be optimized, we can cut down ressource consumption, > we can indeed do better - we

Re: Focusing on innovation re: mono, python et al

2006-07-16 Thread Murray Cumming
> Which makes me wonder why we are able to bless some applications and > not others. The point of blessing the application is saying that this > application meets the gnome standards for X,Y and Z and has a release > shedule that coincides with the gnome platform release. And that people will wor