Re: Deskbar Applet, NewStuffManager, 2.16, Installing New Plug-Ins, AutoUpdate, etc.

2006-08-01 Thread James \"Doc\" Livingston
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 20:36 +0200, Isak Savo wrote: > As such, I don't really see why this thing would be impose any > security issues that didn't exist earlier. Lots of applications > already have a plug-in system, and to my knowledge, they also allow > extra plugins to be installed in $HOME (i.e.

Re: Deskbar Applet, NewStuffManager, 2.16, Installing New Plug-Ins, AutoUpdate, etc.

2006-08-01 Thread Shaun McCance
On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 10:45 +1000, Nigel Tao wrote: > On 8/2/06, Shaun McCance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > With an automated listy-clicky thing, you don't get to see > > explicit files, and you have no way of checking against a > > checksum or a digital signature. > > Yeah, an example: suppose

Re: icon naming spec and gnome-vfs

2006-08-01 Thread David Zeuthen
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 20:45 -0400, Rodney Dawes wrote: > Ironically hal or gnome-vfs seem to insist that my Compact Flash and > Memory Stick devices are all USB hard disks, both on FC5, and on my > laptop running SLED 10. And, no, this isn't due to a theme with the > wrong symlinks. It happens with

Re: Deskbar Applet, NewStuffManager, 2.16, Installing New Plug-Ins, AutoUpdate, etc.

2006-08-01 Thread Corey Burger
On 7/31/06, Steve Frécinaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nigel Tao wrote: > >> > You mean running untrusted code from the Web? > >> > >> Nigel said it would be possible to secure it a bit using GPG keys. > >> Maybe this kind of signing should be made a requirement. > > > > Well, should signing be n

Re: Deskbar Applet, NewStuffManager, 2.16, Installing New Plug-Ins, AutoUpdate, etc.

2006-08-01 Thread Nigel Tao
On 8/1/06, Vincent Untz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would waiting for the 2.18 release cycle be an issue for desbkar? I don't think that there's any issues, but we'll discuss this on deskbar-applet-list. If we do punt to 2.18, will we just rebadge the latest 2.14 as 2.16.0? Leave d-a 2.14 as 2.

Handling big or scary migrations

2006-08-01 Thread Jeff Waugh
> Nobody has made it an excuse. The icons didn't disappear. They were > symlinked to another icon. It's been that way for 8+ months. And not a > single person has complained or filed a bug on it, until now. I would > consider linking to the wrong icon to be a bug. However, it hasn't come up > in

Re: icon naming spec and gnome-vfs

2006-08-01 Thread David Zeuthen
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 20:03 -0400, Rodney Dawes wrote: > There is now a media-flash icon in CVS in the scalable size. There will > be versions for the other sizes also, very soon. And media-flash is now > in the Naming Spec. I've also renamed drive-cdrom and media-cdrom to > drive-optical and media

Re: icon naming spec and gnome-vfs

2006-08-01 Thread David Zeuthen
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 13:33 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > So I think the solution here in the interim (e.g. for 2.16) is to make > gnome-icon-theme provide icons, not symlinks, of the stuff that was > deleted. For example gnome-removable-media-cf and friends. Rodney, do you have any opinion on th

Re: Nautilus startup variability

2006-08-01 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 23:48 -0400, Phillip Ezolt wrote: >For SOC, I've been trying to track down why the nautilus startup > time is so variable. I have a theory that nautilus blocks waiting for > its dependencies to start (bonobo-activation-server, > gnome-volume-manager, gnome-vfs-daemon).

Re: icon naming spec and gnome-vfs

2006-08-01 Thread Shaun McCance
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 17:49 -0400, Rodney Dawes wrote: > On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 16:45 -0400, Pat Suwalski wrote: > > In my opinion, yes, it has to come now, or it will never come. It is > > already a regression that it was there and is no longer there. I prefer > > the look of my 2.8 desktop with

Re: icon naming spec and gnome-vfs

2006-08-01 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 16:45 -0400, Pat Suwalski wrote: > In my opinion, yes, it has to come now, or it will never come. It is > already a regression that it was there and is no longer there. I prefer > the look of my 2.8 desktop with icons that were "consistent enough" to > my 2.12 desktop where

Re: icon naming spec and gnome-vfs (from the right account now)

2006-08-01 Thread Jakub Steiner
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 14:28 -0400, Pat Suwalski wrote: > Jakub Steiner wrote: > > An image thumbnail will give you much more information than a text label > > on a tiny icon and that is likely to be the default case on the GNOME > > desktop. > > Unless, like me, you're always converting images tha

Re: icon naming spec and gnome-vfs

2006-08-01 Thread Pat Suwalski
Jakub Steiner wrote: > I don't know how much time exactly went into gnome icon theme over the > years, but I do feel like we failed to provide a good icon theming > platform for distributions. Back then we had old Gnome 1.0 styled icons > inconsistency. Then I tried to create an icon for every sing

Re: Deskbar Applet, NewStuffManager, 2.16, Installing New Plug-Ins, AutoUpdate, etc.

2006-08-01 Thread Shaun McCance
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 20:36 +0200, Isak Savo wrote: > 2006/8/1, Vincent Untz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi, > > > > Le mardi 01 août 2006, à 11:42, Nigel Tao a écrit : > > > > > You mean running untrusted code from the Web? > > > > > > Nigel said it would be possible to secure it a bit using GPG keys

Re: Deskbar Applet, NewStuffManager, 2.16, Installing New Plug-Ins, AutoUpdate, etc.

2006-08-01 Thread Isak Savo
2006/8/1, Vincent Untz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > > Le mardi 01 août 2006, à 11:42, Nigel Tao a écrit : > > > > You mean running untrusted code from the Web? > > > > Nigel said it would be possible to secure it a bit using GPG keys. > > > Maybe this kind of signing should be made a requirement. >

Re: icon naming spec and gnome-vfs

2006-08-01 Thread Pat Suwalski
Jakub Steiner wrote: > An image thumbnail will give you much more information than a text label > on a tiny icon and that is likely to be the default case on the GNOME > desktop. Unless, like me, you're always converting images that are large and you don't want to thumbnail, but you want to quick

Re: icon naming spec and gnome-vfs

2006-08-01 Thread David Zeuthen
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 18:31 +0200, Jakub Steiner wrote: > I perfectly see the advantage of having a set of unique device icons for > different flash cards. It's undoubtedly easier to use if my desktop is > populated by distinguishable device icons. But in my view it's much > worse to have, say Blue

Re: icon naming spec and gnome-vfs

2006-08-01 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 12:37 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On 8/1/06, Jakub Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I always intended to draw the specific media icons, but I really hope to > > see infrastructure for getting the generic fallback in place first so > > that theming is actually a so

Re: icon naming spec and gnome-vfs

2006-08-01 Thread Scott J. Harmon
Matthias Clasen wrote: > On 8/1/06, Jakub Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I always intended to draw the specific media icons, but I really hope to >> see infrastructure for getting the generic fallback in place first so >> that theming is actually a solution and not an excuse. > > But cer

Re: icon naming spec and gnome-vfs

2006-08-01 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 8/1/06, Jakub Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I always intended to draw the specific media icons, but I really hope to > see infrastructure for getting the generic fallback in place first so > that theming is actually a solution and not an excuse. But certainly thats not an excuse for rip

Re: icon naming spec and gnome-vfs

2006-08-01 Thread Jakub Steiner
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 10:31 -0400, Pat Suwalski wrote: > David Zeuthen wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 18:06 -0400, Rodney Dawes wrote: > >> I will however, disagree that we need to provide such explicit > >> icons as to state what method a hard disk is connect to the computer > >> through, or wha

Re: [g-a-devel] GnomeClient replacement?

2006-08-01 Thread Bill Haneman
It's probably libbonoboui that needs to add libgail-gnome as an additional module. I am a little uneasy about making this change so late, but if someone volunteers to help test, I'd be OK with it. Bill On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 15:34, Jani Monoses wrote: > James Henstridge wrote: > > I think you'll

Re: [g-a-devel] GnomeClient replacement?

2006-08-01 Thread Jani Monoses
James Henstridge wrote: > I think you'll agree that we want a11y enabled for all GTK > applications, and the best way to do this is to make the > initialisation happen in gtk_init(). The gtk-modules XSETTING makes > this possible. The proposed method of getting things loaded is: > > 1. gnome-set

Re: icon naming spec and gnome-vfs

2006-08-01 Thread Pat Suwalski
David Zeuthen wrote: > On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 18:06 -0400, Rodney Dawes wrote: >> I will however, disagree that we need to provide such explicit >> icons as to state what method a hard disk is connect to the computer >> through, or what type of data is contained on an optical disc, in a >> base >> G

Re: Deskbar Applet, NewStuffManager, 2.16, Installing New Plug-Ins, AutoUpdate, etc.

2006-08-01 Thread James Henstridge
On 01/08/06, Jamie McCracken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cant python be sandboxed? > > not sure if it helps in this case or not as I bet you want the python > code to have full access to the system. Not in the sense that javascript can be sandboxed. Some of the developers are looking at restrict

Re: Deskbar Applet, NewStuffManager, 2.16, Installing New Plug-Ins, AutoUpdate, etc.

2006-08-01 Thread Vincent Untz
Hi, Le mardi 01 août 2006, à 11:42, Nigel Tao a écrit : > > > You mean running untrusted code from the Web? > > > > Nigel said it would be possible to secure it a bit using GPG keys. > > Maybe this kind of signing should be made a requirement. > > Well, should signing be necessary and/or sufficie

Re: Deskbar Applet, NewStuffManager, 2.16, Installing New Plug-Ins, AutoUpdate, etc.

2006-08-01 Thread Jamie McCracken
Nigel Tao wrote: >>> You mean running untrusted code from the Web? >> Nigel said it would be possible to secure it a bit using GPG keys. >> Maybe this kind of signing should be made a requirement. > > Well, should signing be necessary and/or sufficient, and who makes > that decision? > ___