On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 14:56 +0200, Étienne Bersac wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I vote for. I'm also wondering how much extra code this will require for
> software to use this.
It depends on what you do with it. Most applications currently using
gnome-vfs mainly use it to load/save files. That should be easy
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 20:06 +0100, Philip Withnall wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 20:44 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Le lundi 24 septembre 2007, à 04:00 +0100, Alex Jones a écrit :
> > >Hi list
> > >
> > >What do we want from the next version of GNOME Panel?
> > >
On Tue, 2007-09-25 at 01:36 +0300, Lucas Rocha wrote:
> Why not:
>
> http://live.gnome.org/GnomePanel/Future
>
> It's a saner place to add those things.
Sure, go for that.
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Hi,
2007/9/25, Alex Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 16:41 -0500, Benjamin Gramlich wrote:
> Alex, what will the address for the wiki be?
>
> http://live.gnome.org/FuturePanel
>
> Feel free to start putting ideas down if you want. I was gonna wait a few
> days before aggreg
Hi!,
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 12:23 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> Since everybody is making proposals for 2.22, here is my contribution:
> we should merge the clock applet with the intlclock that Novell has written.
>
> David and I have done some further work on it to support timezone
> setting an
On Sat, 2007-09-22 at 19:10 +0200, Andreas Røsdal wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007, Vincent Untz wrote:
> > Le samedi 22 septembre 2007, à 13:57 +0200, Andreas Røsdal a écrit :
> >> Hello!
> >>
> >> * Proposal: Include GtkGLExt in the GNOME developer platform.
> >
> > Oh, interesting.
> >
> > Note that
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 16:41 -0500, Benjamin Gramlich wrote:
> Alex, what will the address for the wiki be?
http://live.gnome.org/FuturePanel
Feel free to start putting ideas down if you want. I was gonna wait a
few days before aggregating our ideas from this thread.
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On 9/24/07, Diego Escalante Urrelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Speaking of UI, I have a little suggestion (based on the mockup on Fedora
> wiki).
> I see that below the world map there's a row that has a clock, the
> zone and the weather, it's really cool but I can imagine it filling a
> 1024x76
Gimmie is very interesting and user friendly. I've always felt that the
Gnome panel has been a little bare. SLED was a step in the right
direction, but it seems that very few people have been willing to use
it. (Actually, isn't Novell the only merchant to use SLED?)
I think that the gnome-panel co
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007, à 17:29 -0400, Bryan Clark a écrit :
>On 9/24/07, Diego Escalante Urrelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 9/24/07, Matthias Clasen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 9/24/07, Vincent Untz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Calvin Gaisford and I have bee
> I'd love to hear some feedback from others. There are some consistency
> issues most people can probably spot, like the [Edit] buttons should
> probably be [Edit...] since they open other windows to complete the
> interaction. Things like that I believe can be done pretty quickly and
> aren't wo
On 9/24/07, Diego Escalante Urrelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 9/24/07, Matthias Clasen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 9/24/07, Vincent Untz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Calvin Gaisford and I have been discussing this a few weeks ago and
> > > he'll work on getting the two merged. My p
Il giorno dom, 23/09/2007 alle 20.31 +0300, Kalle Vahlman ha scritto:
> Sorry, but I did get lost while trying Mercurial just now. I can't
> understand why I need to merge something that I just committed. I
> mean, I just modified a file, committed the change and then tried to
> push the committed
Hey!
On 9/24/07, Matthias Clasen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 9/24/07, Vincent Untz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Calvin Gaisford and I have been discussing this a few weeks ago and
> > he'll work on getting the two merged. My preference is to use the
> > current backend code, and import
A quick $0.02:
I have been using Gimmie on and off for quite some time now (on and
off since its initial checkin) and have found it to be a significant
step up in terms of a UI over the current Gnome default. The biggest
issues have been with crashers (generally with new/fickle features,
all of wh
Hi,
The Gimmie applet has been around for some time. Gimmie is a tab-like
replacement for the main Panel menubar, providing logical access to
the concepts of the desktop[1].
For more information, see the Gimmie homepage at
http://beatniksoftware.com/gimmie. Gimmie is stored in GNOME SVN, and
us
Hi Vincent:
Thanks for asking! We generally try to make sure bugs are filed so
there are no surprises. I did a quick bugzilla search and came across
the following. Some are gnome-applets related, but I think there might
be some opportunity in gnome-panel to help them.
http://bugzilla.gnome.org
On 9/24/07, Vincent Untz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Calvin Gaisford and I have been discussing this a few weeks ago and
> he'll work on getting the two merged. My preference is to use the
> current backend code, and import the intltool UI in the clock. I don't
> think it will be really hard, a
Hi,
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 20:44 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Le lundi 24 septembre 2007, à 04:00 +0100, Alex Jones a écrit :
> >Hi list
> >
> >What do we want from the next version of GNOME Panel?
> >
> >Do we want to evolve it or just replace the dependency on Bonobo for no
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007, à 19:49 +0100, Alex Jones a écrit :
>On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 20:44 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
>
> Btw, I'd love if you could organize all the feedback on a wiki page so
> it'll be easy to look at the list of "requirements" in the future.
>
>Yeah, I plan to do t
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007, à 17:14 +0100, Calum Benson a écrit :
> On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 20:48 +1200, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
>
> > Besides the lack of a global menu bar, which John Stowers mentioned,
> > another irritant interaction-wise is inconsistency in behavior between
> > panel applet
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 20:44 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
> Btw, I'd love if you could organize all the feedback on a wiki page so
> it'll be easy to look at the list of "requirements" in the future.
Yeah, I plan to do this once I've gathered enough of a consensus.
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Hi Willie,
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007, à 10:01 -0400, Willie Walker a écrit :
> Hi Alex:
>
> Thanks for sending out this call for input. :-)
>
> Being able to reliably interact with the gnome-panel and its applets via
> the keyboard alone would be a major boost to its usability.
Care to elabor
Hi,
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007, à 04:00 +0100, Alex Jones a écrit :
>Hi list
>
>What do we want from the next version of GNOME Panel?
>
>Do we want to evolve it or just replace the dependency on Bonobo for now?
>
>I think that unifying the concept of applets and more heavyweight
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007, à 10:46 +0200, Alexander Larsson a écrit :
> So, does it make sense to add gio (standalone or in an earlier glib
> release) and gvfs to the Gnome 2.22 desktop module set?
If there's no glib release with gio for 2.22, I think it makes a lot of
sense to include gio and gv
Hi,
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007, à 12:23 -0400, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
> Since everybody is making proposals for 2.22, here is my contribution:
> we should merge the clock applet with the intlclock that Novell has written.
>
> David and I have done some further work on it to support timezone
>
On 9/24/07, Matthias Clasen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you read my mail carefully ("merge"), that is exactly what is being
> proposed here.
> Two clock applets makes no sense at all, which is why we did not ship
> the intlclock in F8.
Sorry, I thought you were asking for module proposal accep
On 9/24/07, Jason D. Clinton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 9/24/07, Matthias Clasen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Since everybody is making proposals for 2.22, here is my contribution:
> > we should merge the clock applet with the intlclock that Novell has written.
>
> Why not include this in th
On 9/24/07, Matthias Clasen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Since everybody is making proposals for 2.22, here is my contribution:
> we should merge the clock applet with the intlclock that Novell has written.
Why not include this in the existing gnome-panel module and avoid
having two competing cloc
2007/9/24, Alex Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Maybe an "interesting timezones" feature/setting would be useful in GNOME,
> so that other apps can join in the fun of multi-timezone awareness, with
> just one central place to configure it.
>
> Or do you think such a feature should only pertain to a
On 9/24/07, Alex Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Maybe an "interesting timezones" feature/setting would be useful in GNOME,
> so that other apps can join in the fun of multi-timezone awareness, with
> just one central place to configure it.
>
> Or do you think such a feature should only pert
Nice stuff, it may need some graphic love tho, any particular reason
why the clock graphics are 50x50 and 36x36? It would be better to have
them 48x48 and 32x32 as our icons.
2007/9/24, Matthias Clasen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Since everybody is making proposals for 2.22, here is my contribution:
>
Maybe an "interesting timezones" feature/setting would be useful in
GNOME, so that other apps can join in the fun of multi-timezone
awareness, with just one central place to configure it.
Or do you think such a feature should only pertain to a clock? Anyone
have any more use cases?
On Mon, 2007-0
Hi,
That's my first mail to this flamewar, i vote for inclusion of empathy.
> That really shouldn't be a blocker.
Empathy does not aim to replace xchat-gnome (yet). This discussion is
only about empathy inclusion at all. Yet it is possible to connect to
IRC using telepathy, but empathy is far f
Since everybody is making proposals for 2.22, here is my contribution:
we should merge the clock applet with the intlclock that Novell has written.
David and I have done some further work on it to support timezone
setting and weather information, the current status of which you can
see here:
http
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 20:48 +1200, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
> Besides the lack of a global menu bar, which John Stowers mentioned,
> another irritant interaction-wise is inconsistency in behavior between
> panel applets. Some applets do something on a single click, others
> don't, and there's
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 16:46 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 22:17 +0100, Ross Burton wrote:
> > On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 16:00 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> > > Needless duplication of work covered by Pidgin and Ekiga (and, so far,
> > > done better). This is a reimplementation o
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 10:37 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> On 9/24/07, Alexander Larsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've been working on gvfs and gio for a while, and its starting to reach
> > some minimal level of maturity.
>
> As long as there is consensus on a path from gnome-vfs to gio+g
On 9/24/07, Alexander Larsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been working on gvfs and gio for a while, and its starting to reach
> some minimal level of maturity.
As long as there is consensus on a path from gnome-vfs to gio+gvfs, I
would like to see this in 2.22. Which module are you proposing
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 16:46 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
> what about IRC? Would we need to have xchat around if using empathy? As
> you say, having all those apps not share anything but the network cable
> is a pain for users, so I'm all for having a single backend to manage
> messaging, included IR
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 22:17 +0100, Ross Burton wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 16:00 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> > Needless duplication of work covered by Pidgin and Ekiga (and, so far,
> > done better). This is a reimplementation of the wheel.
>
> Empathy is a UI around an IM platform which
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I'm curious about the overall accessibility of Empathy. Has anyone done
a survey of how well it works with existing assistive technologies for
GNOME (e.g., GOK, Dasher, Orca, etc.) as well as its keyboard-only
access model?
Will
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 10:59 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote:
> Hi,
>
Hi Alex:
Thanks for sending out this call for input. :-)
Being able to reliably interact with the gnome-panel and its applets via
the keyboard alone would be a major boost to its usability.
Thanks again!
Will
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 04:00 +0100, Alex Jones wrote:
> Hi list
>
> What do we want
Hi,
I vote for. I'm also wondering how much extra code this will require for
software to use this.
Regards,
Étienne.
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On 9/24/07, Damien Sandras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Le lundi 24 septembre 2007 à 11:34 +0200, Ali Sabil a écrit :
> > > Then can you explain us how ICE can help when STUN does not ? I would
> > > like to see your argumentation here.
> > >
> > Correct me if I am wrong, but STUN is generally abou
Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> I've been diving deeper in to the code involved here and the more I see the
> more I dislike. Xavier, it seems that you implemented gossip-telepathy and
> then forked Gossip to create Empathy? Can you provide some history for us
> please? What is going on here?
Various pe
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007 à 11:34 +0200, Ali Sabil a écrit :
> > Then can you explain us how ICE can help when STUN does not ? I would
> > like to see your argumentation here.
> >
> Correct me if I am wrong, but STUN is generally about finding your
> external IP address, and determining the type o
> I guess you do not know what ICE is ? Do you ?
>
Last time I checked ICE it was about finding a a quite good routing
path (not always the best) between two endpoints for UDP packets.
> Then can you explain us how ICE can help when STUN does not ? I would
> like to see your argumentation here.
>
On 9/24/07, Claudio Saavedra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 00:10 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> > * It appears to be a fork of Gossip and intended to replace Gossip.
> > The Gossip author has stated that Gossip is not dead. Gossip has
> > telepathy support...
> > * It appear
24 sep 2007 kl. 10.54 skrev Ali Sabil:
Hi,
So I planned to reply to this thread later today but this kind of mud
slinging forced me to do so earlier (will try to reply on the subject
at hand later though).
> On 9/24/07, Jason D. Clinton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The critical difference i
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007 à 10:54 +0200, Ali Sabil a écrit :
> On 9/24/07, Jason D. Clinton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The critical difference in that analogy is that the thousands and
> > thousands of man-hours spent on Gecko are reused in the
> > Gnome-ification called Epiphany. As Empathy i
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 00:04 +0200, Jaap Haitsma wrote:
> On 9/23/07, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Le lundi 17 septembre 2007 à 16:26 +0100, Seb James a écrit :
> > > Heads up for those interested in remote desktop connections:
> > >
> > > I just committed a GTK NX client called n
On 9/24/07, Jason D. Clinton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 9/23/07, Xavier Claessens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I strongly disagree, Empathy do NOT reimplement the wheel! Empathy is
> > not just an IM client like all others, it's an IM framework and is the
> > only project that makes poss
On 9/24/07, Jason D. Clinton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The critical difference in that analogy is that the thousands and
> thousands of man-hours spent on Gecko are reused in the
> Gnome-ification called Epiphany. As Empathy is proposed, all the work
> in protocol implementation that has come be
I've been working on gvfs and gio for a while, and its starting to reach
some minimal level of maturity. I'm currently working on porting
nautilus from gnome-vfs to gio in order to verify that the design works
and so that we can fix any problems or bugs. It might also be
interesting for other appli
On Sep 24, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Alex Jones wrote:
> ...
> What do we want from the next version of GNOME Panel?
>
> Do we want to evolve it or just replace the dependency on Bonobo for
> now?
>
> I think that unifying the concept of applets and more heavyweight
> "widgets" might be beneficial, un
Dodji Seketeli wrote:
> As I understand it, libempathy is a set of reusable widgets and
> leverages on the telepathy framework.
>
> That implies that nothing should prevent Ekiga from using
> libempathy/telepathy at some point in the future when it is stable and
> and has the necessary features.
>
Ar 24/09/2007 am 00:12, ysgrifennodd Alex Jones:
> We have legacy transports that provide a basic level of support, but it
> will always be a balancing act, much like the reverse-engineering work
> in Telepathy/Farsight. Pissing away free development hours chasing a
> moving target wild geese just
Le dimanche 23 septembre 2007 à 21:54 -0500, Jason D. Clinton a écrit :
> On 9/23/07, Alex Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Xavier
>
> On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 23:19 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote:
> > Currently GNOME has no IM program at all, Ekiga does only voic
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 09:03 +0100, Dafydd Harries wrote:
> A question about external dependencies: which Telepathy components would be
> blessed external dependencies?
I'm tempted to say none, just make the packages required at build time
external dependencies. Everyone would build gabble and so
Ar 23/09/2007 am 19:54, ysgrifennodd Travis Reitter:
> My main concerns right now are libempathy(-gtk)'s API stability and
> documentation. The API in svn trunk has changed since the last release
> (0.12), and (as Björn points out) the documentation is basically
> non-existent.
>
> Xavier, could y
Ar 24/09/2007 am 00:48, ysgrifennodd Jason D. Clinton:
> On 9/24/07, Peter Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > So? Distros are free to package and ship GNOME components however they
> > see fit so long as they comply with any applicable copyright/trademark
> > licensing. Unfortunately, as a go
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007 à 04:00 +0100, Alex Jones a écrit :
> Hi list
>
> What do we want from the next version of GNOME Panel?
Use normal X window management protocol to handle applets (à la system
tray), that would be the modern way of launching several remote xload to
watch a bunch of machi
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