Re: strawman (Was Re: build systems)

2007-11-11 Thread David Zeuthen
On Sun, 2007-11-11 at 23:05 -0500, Adam Schreiber wrote: > On Nov 11, 2007 10:52 PM, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It would be great to release a suite of GNOME apps for Windows (maybe even > > OS X) along with our tarballs every six months -- to grow our audience and > > potential dev

Re: strawman (Was Re: build systems)

2007-11-11 Thread Jeff Waugh
> * Do enough maintainers/developers still run windows systems and have > Windows developement experience? Doesn't matter -- there are a few people who do Windows work already. With increased support, their work will be easier. We can benefit from a lot of experience from the GIMP and Pidgin pro

Re: strawman (Was Re: build systems)

2007-11-11 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Sun, 2007-11-11 at 23:05 -0500, Adam Schreiber wrote: > On Nov 11, 2007 10:52 PM, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It would be great to release a suite of GNOME apps for Windows (maybe even > > OS X) along with our tarballs every six months -- to grow our audience and > > potential dev

Re: strawman (Was Re: build systems)

2007-11-11 Thread David Zeuthen
On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 14:52 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > So the proposal here would be to roll our own build system that is highly > > optimized only for GNOME/GTK+ applications. Thoughts? > > There's a bunch of existing work out there that we could build on, but I > think this is a very wo

Re: strawman (Was Re: build systems)

2007-11-11 Thread Adam Schreiber
On Nov 11, 2007 10:52 PM, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It would be great to release a suite of GNOME apps for Windows (maybe even > OS X) along with our tarballs every six months -- to grow our audience and > potential developer pool -- with the least amount of work possible. :-) While

Re: strawman (Was Re: build systems)

2007-11-11 Thread Jeff Waugh
> So the proposal here would be to roll our own build system that is highly > optimized only for GNOME/GTK+ applications. Thoughts? There's a bunch of existing work out there that we could build on, but I think this is a very worthwhile thought experiment, so I hope no one shuts it down too quic

Re: strawman (Was Re: build systems)

2007-11-11 Thread David Zeuthen
On Sun, 2007-11-11 at 22:41 -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: > - It would be straightforward (I didn't say easy) to write Eclipse, >Visual Studio, Xcode etc. With this developers would never need ^^^ (unless it's obvious, I meant to insert "plug-ins / extensions" here) >

strawman (Was Re: build systems)

2007-11-11 Thread David Zeuthen
On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 02:15 +0100, Nicolas Trangez wrote: > - Being able to use Python in your configure script natively is A Good > Thing (except if you hate Python, obviously). It allows to do real > programming in your configure stage, which is also possible in autoconf > but sometimes somewhat

Re: build systems

2007-11-11 Thread Nicolas Trangez
On Sat, 2007-11-10 at 00:32 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: > In this case there is an easy solution. Convert a few GNOME projects > to > the new build system and show the result. Don't agree that if someone > proposes something new, it is up to others to try it ('sell the thing' > you propose). I want

Re: build systems

2007-11-11 Thread Ali Sabil
On Nov 11, 2007 9:58 PM, Owen Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, 2007-11-11 at 18:20 +0100, Emmanuel Fleury wrote: > > Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: > > > > > > I coded distcheck into WAF a couple of months ago. It wasn't even a > > > difficult task... > > > > What about gettext supp

Re: Lowering the barrier

2007-11-11 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
Jeff Waugh wrote: >> I think some "proven" jhbuild recipes for current Ubuntu and Fedora >> distros would be very helpful, somewhere on the gnome web site. > > There are some useful resources linked from the jhbuild wiki page: > > http://live.gnome.org/Jhbuild You are right, someone has done s

Re: Lowering the barrier

2007-11-11 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 08:51:31AM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > I think some "proven" jhbuild recipes for current Ubuntu and Fedora > > distros would be very helpful, somewhere on the gnome web site. > > There are some useful resources linked from the jhbuild wiki page: > > http://live.gn

Re: Lowering the barrier

2007-11-11 Thread Jeff Waugh
> I think some "proven" jhbuild recipes for current Ubuntu and Fedora > distros would be very helpful, somewhere on the gnome web site. There are some useful resources linked from the jhbuild wiki page: http://live.gnome.org/Jhbuild - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2008: Melbourne, Australia

Re: Lowering the barrier

2007-11-11 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
Murray Cumming wrote: > jhbuild should take care of building. There is a lot of information > about how to use jhbuild, including solving specific problems on > specific distros. My 2 cents: I found it easy to dive into gnome bug fixing and code contributing - the barrier was low, in other words

Re: build systems

2007-11-11 Thread Owen Taylor
On Sun, 2007-11-11 at 18:20 +0100, Emmanuel Fleury wrote: > Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: > > > > I coded distcheck into WAF a couple of months ago. It wasn't even a > > difficult task... > > What about gettext support ? > > See: http://code.google.com/p/waf/issues/detail?id=51 What potent

Re: Lowering the barrier

2007-11-11 Thread Sebastian Pölsterl
Emmanuel Fleury schrieb: > Who wrote: >> http://live.gnome.org/GtkLove doesn't even mention that anyone marking >> a bug as being a GnomeLove bug should be prepared to help a beginner >> to solve it (this is also likely to lead to 'misuse', I guess): >> >> "Love Bug List >> >> This list is intended

Re: build systems

2007-11-11 Thread Emmanuel Fleury
Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: > > I coded distcheck into WAF a couple of months ago. It wasn't even a > difficult task... What about gettext support ? See: http://code.google.com/p/waf/issues/detail?id=51 Regards -- Emmanuel Fleury See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a sys

Re: Lowering the barrier

2007-11-11 Thread Emmanuel Fleury
Who wrote: > > http://live.gnome.org/GtkLove doesn't even mention that anyone marking > a bug as being a GnomeLove bug should be prepared to help a beginner > to solve it (this is also likely to lead to 'misuse', I guess): > > "Love Bug List > > This list is intended as collection of bugs suitab

Re: Lowering the barrier

2007-11-11 Thread Elijah Newren
On Nov 11, 2007 3:16 AM, Sebastian Pölsterl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Who schrieb:> > > *** In the case of 'Gnome Love' bugs - perhaps people people could > > offer to 'mentor' on them, so anyone needing to ask questions in > > attempts to fix

Re: Lowering the barrier

2007-11-11 Thread Who
On Nov 11, 2007 3:21 PM, Elijah Newren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 11, 2007 3:16 AM, Sebastian Pölsterl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Who schrieb:> > > > *** In the case of 'Gnome Love' bugs - perhaps people people could > > > offer

Re: Lowering the barrier (was: Re: build systems)

2007-11-11 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
Just a quickie since the kids are screaming :-) : I started a wiki page to collect the status of this discussion: http://live.gnome.org/EasyGnome If I missed anything please comment. Heck please comment anyways. Cheers, Mikkel ___ desktop-devel-list mai

Re: build systems

2007-11-11 Thread Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro
On Sat, 2007-11-10 at 22:43 -0500, Braden McDaniel wrote: > On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 12:27 +0100, daniel g. siegel wrote: > > [snip] > > > please understand, i dont want to bring up a "autotools is bad and it > > should die"-thread, i just want to use my time to code and not to use > > that time and

Bumping avahi requirement for GNOME to 0.6.21

2007-11-11 Thread Jaap A. Haitsma
Hi, Currently the minimum requirement for avahi is 0.6.16 in GNOME [1]. Vinagre which is proposed for the desktop needs at least 0.6.17 because it contains new functionality. In the meantime the avahi developer already released newer versions which according to the website are bugfix versions [2]

Re: Lowering the barrier

2007-11-11 Thread Sebastian Pölsterl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Who schrieb:> > *** In the case of 'Gnome Love' bugs - perhaps people people could > offer to 'mentor' on them, so anyone needing to ask questions in > attempts to fix them can have a ready contact. I understand, of > course, that time is important and