Re: Future of GNOME: Semantics

2008-06-14 Thread Michael Gratton
On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 19:11 +0200, Anders Feder wrote: > Now, the idea is that if we model all of the aforementioned abstractions > (applications, mental models, smart devices etc.) in RDF, GNOME can take > advantage of the same features in a single unified framework This is perhaps the biggest pr

Re: Future of GNOME: Semantics

2008-06-14 Thread Anders Feder
John, Thanks for your reply. lør, 14 06 2008 kl. 23:31 +0100, skrev John Carr: > One problem that you've skipped over is how Conduit learned to speak > to the device in the first place. In this case i've written glue to > link SynCE and Conduit, i would surely ship an AirSync ontology with > Con

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of ""

2008-06-14 Thread Iain *
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:42:24 +0100 > "Iain *" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > Thats because you have your fingers in your ears and don't want to >> > l

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of ""

2008-06-14 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Alexander Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/6/14 Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Note; I am all for the US locale using pretty quotes. I'm just strongly >> opposed to doing it against the specifications and praying it works out. >> Particularly when its proba

Re: Future of GNOME: Semantics

2008-06-14 Thread John Carr
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Anders Feder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Olav, > > Thanks for your reply. I figured that people had read enough shiny use > cases, so I tried to keep those to a minimum, but sure. > > Let's say you use Evolution's address book to manage all your contacts > and you

Re: Future of GNOME: Semantics

2008-06-14 Thread Anders Feder
Olav, Thanks for your reply. I figured that people had read enough shiny use cases, so I tried to keep those to a minimum, but sure. Let's say you use Evolution's address book to manage all your contacts and you just bought a new smartphone which only supports a proprietary address book format. Y

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of ""

2008-06-14 Thread Alan Cox
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:42:24 +0100 "Iain *" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Thats because you have your fingers in your ears and don't want to > > listen. Consider a career in politics instead. > > Well, no, you have brought

Re: Future of GNOME: Semantics

2008-06-14 Thread Olav Vitters
Could you turn this into at least one concrete example? I don't understand what you're proposing aside from 'use RDF everywhere'. -- Regards, Olav ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/des

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of ""

2008-06-14 Thread Iain *
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thats because you have your fingers in your ears and don't want to > listen. Consider a career in politics instead. Well, no, you have brought up irrelevant points (to the question at hand) and straw manned any rebuttal of the

Future of GNOME: Semantics

2008-06-14 Thread Anders Feder
Hello, I don't have a blog at Planet GNOME, but would like to comment on some of the discussions going on these days about the future of the GNOME product anyway, so I'm taking the liberty of making such a post here instead. I also am no hacker - just a mere power-user who dreams in N3 notation. 

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of ""

2008-06-14 Thread Alan Cox
> Sarcasm aside, if people are using Shift-JIS/KOI8R/RU in translations, > those strings WILL get fed into UTF-8 string functions and stuff will > break. We use UTF-8 here, in GNOME-land, right? If the gnome libraries have built in UTF-8 assumptions yes. But the rest of the system will work just f

Re: Dependency Proposal: Clutter 0.6.2, ClutterMM 0.6

2008-06-14 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 15:27 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: > Am Mittwoch, den 23.04.2008, 10:23 +0100 schrieb Emmanuele Bassi: > > > Le lundi 21 avril 2008, à 17:10 +0100, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit : > > > > Clutter is already providing a (portable) integration with GTK+, Webkit, > > > > Cairo, GStreame

Re: Dependency Proposal: Clutter 0.6.2, ClutterMM 0.6

2008-06-14 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Mittwoch, den 23.04.2008, 10:23 +0100 schrieb Emmanuele Bassi: > > Le lundi 21 avril 2008, à 17:10 +0100, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit : > > > Clutter is already providing a (portable) integration with GTK+, Webkit, > > > Cairo, GStreamer and event a physics engine - and we are committed to > > > rel

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of ""

2008-06-14 Thread Alexander Jones
2008/6/14 Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I don't know if the use of KOI8R/RU and shift-jis is still "legitimate". > I guess you would have to ask the users. I also don't know what the > situation is for usage patterns on non-Linux systems. Sun have always been > on the ball with unicode but some o

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of ""

2008-06-14 Thread Iain *
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Surely as programmers we can be trusted to know the difference between >> the cases where a string is destined for the UI and where it is >> destined for something that is non-UTF8 compatible? > > You have an encylopædic know

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of ""

2008-06-14 Thread Alan Cox
> > Are there actually legitimate reasons for anyone to ever use a non-UTF-8 > > locale these days? > > Other than legacy, and wanting to find bugs in programs? Probably not... > Maybe somebody should break the compatibility view and make the C locale > UTF-8. Well you can certainly submit a prop

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of ""

2008-06-14 Thread Alan Cox
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 01:43:05 +0100 "Alexander Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alan, you seem to be missing the point. No I'm afraid you are the one who is missing the point here: > The only places where I am suggesting replacing "" with "" are in existing > gettext calls, which *are* UTF-8 w

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of ""

2008-06-14 Thread Alan Cox
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 01:44:09 +0100 "Alexander Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So how do we go about coming up with an official position for this? If > I start cooking patches here and there I don't want to have to make > the same argument with every maintainer... :) It seems the standards doc

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of ""

2008-06-14 Thread Alan Cox
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:01:22 -0400 Dan Winship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alan Cox wrote: > > GTK/Glib are not the biggest problem here. You also use C library > > functions in Gnome applications. Glib/Gtk+ works with the C library in C > > locale simply because ASCII is a subset of UTF-8. That

Re: Module proposal: Empathy for GNOME 2.24

2008-06-14 Thread Murray Cumming
On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 09:53 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: > Le samedi 14 juin 2008 à 09:04 +0200, Mathias Hasselmann a écrit : [snip] > A IM program > > not supporting registration of new IM accounts definitely is not feature > > complete yet. > > In my opinion it's not essential: > 1) Jabber is

Re: Module proposal: Empathy for GNOME 2.24

2008-06-14 Thread Xavier Claessens
Le samedi 14 juin 2008 à 09:04 +0200, Mathias Hasselmann a écrit : > Am Samstag, den 14.06.2008, 08:42 +0200 schrieb Xavier Claessens: > > Le samedi 14 juin 2008 à 01:34 +0200, Frederic Peters a écrit : > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > Jason D. Clinton wrote: > > > > > > > > I hope this will help

Re: Module proposal: Empathy for GNOME 2.24

2008-06-14 Thread Mathias Hasselmann
Am Samstag, den 14.06.2008, 08:42 +0200 schrieb Xavier Claessens: > Le samedi 14 juin 2008 à 01:34 +0200, Frederic Peters a écrit : > > Hello, > > > > > > Jason D. Clinton wrote: > > > > > > I hope this will help the adoption of Empathy for GNOME 2.24. > > > > > > -1 > > > > > > (I haven't sai