Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Martyn Russell
On 18/08/09 23:54, Vincent Untz wrote: Le mardi 18 août 2009, à 20:26 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : Le mardi 18 août 2009, à 20:19 +0200, Philip Van Hoof a écrit : We'll do our best and are committed to formulate our answers in a non-vague way and improve the communication of the project's

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-19 Thread Florian Ludwig
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 17:40 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: 1. what problems we want to solve for the user Here some use cases I think that could be solved with some of those shiny new technologies - but I'm not involved with any of tracker, zeitgeist, couchdb, whatever, so I can't tell if they

Module dependencies

2009-08-19 Thread Uros Nedic
Hi all, I'm observing your conversation and learn GNOME code since I plan to contribute something in the future. I would like to ask if it is possible that someone write module dependencies in gnome starting from top to down. For example - top modules are . - module is dependent from

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Alan Cox
at low I/O priority, without unpleasantly degrading system performance. I imagine the sheer seek cost of pulling all those dentries, inodes into memory, and evicting all the other useful data you had around - is a big part of the plague. Hopefully btrfs will improve the situation somewhat

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Alan Cox
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:31:04 +0200 The tracker-store is a desktop service that offers the application developer a query capability against data that it stores. The data that it stores must be strictly defined by a schema (which is what in RDF is called an ontology). The schemas that we ship by

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 11:25 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: Hey Alan, thanks for your questions. The tracker-store is a desktop service that offers the application developer a query capability against data that it stores. The data that it stores must be strictly defined by a schema (which is what

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Rob Taylor
Alan Cox wrote: On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:31:04 +0200 snip Let me know if that was a helpful description for you. I tried hard not to sound like an old German philosopher ;-). One thing I couldn't quickly tell is whether you are always remembering the source of external information,

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Alan Cox
Tracker will store this if the applications request storage of it. The issue of protecting the user's personal data is left to the applications using it and the underlying operating system's security features. To a business deploying systems with this feature there are multiple issues - Need

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Sankar P
Not contributing to the core discussion. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Alan Coxa...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote: I think there lies a misassumption. The actual indexing has a fairly high cost. The cost of extracting metadata while indexing ought to be relatively low in comparison. That argues

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-19 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 18:38 -0400, Jamie McCracken wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 00:27 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 16:48 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: I think this recent discussion about tracker as a gnome module is somewhat backwards. I don't think it is leading us

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-19 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 00:36 +0200, Philip Van Hoof wrote: We evaluated CouchDB as a primary store over sqlite, but CouchDB lacked *very* important features. This makes it undoable. Feel free to get in touch with us to discuss which precise features I mean. I talked to some tracker people at

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Alan Cox
One short coming in this approach will be, It will cause a problem where multiple applications can be associated with a file-type, over a period of time. For instance, for .mbox files, the applications could vary like: Evolution, Mutt, Pine, Claws, Thunderbird, etc. And it is common among

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 21:21 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 18.08.09 21:09, Patryk Zawadzki (pat...@pld-linux.org) wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Lennart Poetteringmzta...@0pointer.de wrote: (I don't want to create the impression that I am opposed to the idea of

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 13:07 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: One short coming in this approach will be, It will cause a problem where multiple applications can be associated with a file-type, over a period of time. For instance, for .mbox files, the applications could vary like: Evolution, Mutt,

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-19 Thread Ivan Frade
Hi, On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Thomas H.P. Andersen pho...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 22:48, Matthias Clasenmatthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: I think this recent discussion about tracker as a gnome module is somewhat backwards. I don't think it is leading us anywhere to

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-19 Thread John Carr
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Ivan Fradeivan.fr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Thomas H.P. Andersen pho...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 22:48, Matthias Clasenmatthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: I think this recent discussion about tracker as a gnome

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-19 Thread Jamie McCracken
On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 15:50 +0100, John Carr wrote: CouchDB is also a storage but with a different philosophy. The nicest part is the synchronization... but maybe we could wrap tracker in a similar code to allow the online replication. This is just a wild guess. I think its possible -

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-19 Thread Ross Burton
On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 11:23 -0400, Jamie McCracken wrote: i also think there is some mileage in using couchdb as the primary store and just have tracker index that. one of the strengths of couchdb is its mvcc architecture which means its completely corruption proof as updates are always

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-19 Thread Alberto Ruiz
2009/8/19 Ross Burton r...@burtonini.com: On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 11:23 -0400, Jamie McCracken wrote: i also think there is some mileage in using couchdb as the primary store and just have tracker index that. one of the strengths of couchdb is its mvcc architecture which means its completely

Re: Tracker, Zeitgeist, Couchdb...where is the problem ?

2009-08-19 Thread Rob Taylor
Ross Burton wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 11:23 -0400, Jamie McCracken wrote: i also think there is some mileage in using couchdb as the primary store and just have tracker index that. one of the strengths of couchdb is its mvcc architecture which means its completely corruption proof as

Re: Bumping/Dropping the PolicyKit external dep

2009-08-19 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Frederic Peters wrote: - gnome-system-tools still depends on the old version, and I don't see it listed in the Fedora feature page As of 2.27.3, released today, the gnome-system-tools use PolicyKit1 (well, actually, polkit-gtk-1). They require the system-tools-backends 2.8 or above for that.

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Dienstag, den 18.08.2009, 13:05 +0100 schrieb Martyn Russell: So I would like to propose Tracker as a new GNOME module. Getting this back to inclusion requirements: - GNOME3 readiness: Please fix http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=581984 - I18N: Please fix