Le lundi 19 janvier 2009 à 19:30 +, Bastien Nocera a écrit :
> Feel free to maintain a separate module with the old code...
This is not an option. As downstream maintainers we will *have* to
maintain the old code.
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On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 12:10 -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Lennart Poettering
> wrote:
> > Oh, is that so?
> >
> > This is some old Topaz mockup:
> >
> > http://farm1.static.flickr.com/20/70003494_668cfdc0dd.jpg
>
> Your attitude is making it really hard to tak
On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 14:33 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le lundi 19 janvier 2009 à 11:21 +0100, Rodrigo Moya a écrit :
> > you're right about the resources taken by the hidden applet, but as you
> > see, Debian, openSUSE and Mandriva need ways to offer users a fallback,
> > so we really need i
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> Oh, is that so?
>
> This is some old Topaz mockup:
>
> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/20/70003494_668cfdc0dd.jpg
Your attitude is making it really hard to take sides with PA. Yes,
it's *the* only way forward at the moment. But you don't
Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > Yes, there’s a quicker way: restore the full GStreamer-based panel
> > applet. Contrarily to gnome-volume-control, there’s not much gain in
> > using PA in the applet.
>
> Oh, is that so?
>
> This is some old Topaz mockup:
>
> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/20/7000
On Mon, 19.01.09 14:33, Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org) wrote:
> Le lundi 19 janvier 2009 à 11:21 +0100, Rodrigo Moya a écrit :
> > you're right about the resources taken by the hidden applet, but as you
> > see, Debian, openSUSE and Mandriva need ways to offer users a fallback,
> > so we reall
Le lundi 19 janvier 2009 à 11:21 +0100, Rodrigo Moya a écrit :
> you're right about the resources taken by the hidden applet, but as you
> see, Debian, openSUSE and Mandriva need ways to offer users a fallback,
> so we really need it. If there's a better solution than hiding the
> applet, let's use
2009/1/19 Xavier Bestel :
> On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 12:32 +0200, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
>> What really PA needs is some kind of "great switch" for
>> advanced/troubled users. I admit I wasn't found about PA in the past,
>> but now it works. Sure it has quirks but it is really nice feature to
>> "Fr
On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 12:32 +0200, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
> What really PA needs is some kind of "great switch" for
> advanced/troubled users. I admit I wasn't found about PA in the past,
> but now it works. Sure it has quirks but it is really nice feature to
> "Free Desktop".
There are still ca
Le lundi 19 janvier 2009, à 11:30 +0100, Patryk Zawadzki a écrit :
> Wouldn't it be easier to convert the old applet to also use a tray
> icon? This way no useless applet needs to stay in the memory (due to
> the fact applets have no programmatical way to add or remove
> themselves at run time).
O
What really PA needs is some kind of "great switch" for
advanced/troubled users. I admit I wasn't found about PA in the past,
but now it works. Sure it has quirks but it is really nice feature to
"Free Desktop".
However, I think there should be some kind of checkbox or button in
Sound caplet which
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 10:55 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
>> > yeah, I agree with you, I think both should be the same (an applet or an
>> > icon), so since we already have the applet,
On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 10:55 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
>
> > yeah, I agree with you, I think both should be the same (an applet or an
> > icon), so since we already have the applet, I guess it would make sense
> > to add code to the applet
On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 17:35 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Fri, 16.01.09 17:12, Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org) wrote:
>
> > Le vendredi 16 janvier 2009 à 10:55 -0500, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
> > > But this is not a runtime decision. Either your distro is using
> > > pulseaudio (and it
On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 17:56 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> Maybe the time spent on discussing this issue and on fixing a way to
> support both systems with and without PA is better spent in fixing the
> sound drivers.
>
> BTW. TO bring some facts in the discussion, here's a small Wiki page I
>
Le vendredi 16 janvier 2009 à 17:35 +0100, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
> Hmm. Somehow I get the feeling that the only distribution where this
> really matters is Debian
Not quite; AFAIK Gentoo and OpenSolaris have not embraced PulseAudio as
well.
> -- because you guys want to ship all and
> eve
On Fri, 16.01.09 17:49, Frederic Crozat (fcro...@mandriva.com) wrote:
> No, it is not THAT simple.
>
> We (Mandriva) are shipping PA and it works for most users, but there are
> users with problems (either ALSA related or PA related, Colin Guthrie is
> always making sure those issues are reported
Le vendredi 16 janvier 2009 à 11:31 -0500, David Zeuthen a écrit :
> On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 17:12 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Le vendredi 16 janvier 2009 à 10:55 -0500, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
> > > But this is not a runtime decision. Either your distro is using
> > > pulseaudio (and it sho
On Fri, 16.01.09 17:12, Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org) wrote:
> Le vendredi 16 janvier 2009 à 10:55 -0500, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
> > But this is not a runtime decision. Either your distro is using
> > pulseaudio (and it should)
>
> Again, this cannot be a distribution choice!
>
> We can
On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 17:12 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le vendredi 16 janvier 2009 à 10:55 -0500, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
> > But this is not a runtime decision. Either your distro is using
> > pulseaudio (and it should)
>
> Again, this cannot be a distribution choice!
>
> We can ship PA
2009/1/16 Josselin Mouette :
> Le vendredi 16 janvier 2009 à 10:55 -0500, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
>> But this is not a runtime decision. Either your distro is using
>> pulseaudio (and it should)
>
> Again, this cannot be a distribution choice!
>
> We can ship PA by default and make everything pos
Le vendredi 16 janvier 2009 à 10:55 -0500, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
> But this is not a runtime decision. Either your distro is using
> pulseaudio (and it should)
Again, this cannot be a distribution choice!
We can ship PA by default and make everything possible to get the best
of it, but breaki
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
> yeah, I agree with you, I think both should be the same (an applet or an
> icon), so since we already have the applet, I guess it would make sense
> to add code to the applet to hide itself and start the notification icon
> if PA is running,
On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 13:22 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le jeudi 15 janvier 2009 à 12:55 +0100, Rodrigo Moya a écrit :
> > > If the two applets don’t share the basic UI (one panel applet and one
> > > notification icon), that’s a bigger problem. I guess we could always
> > > ship the GStreamer
Le jeudi 15 janvier 2009 à 12:55 +0100, Rodrigo Moya a écrit :
> > If the two applets don’t share the basic UI (one panel applet and one
> > notification icon), that’s a bigger problem. I guess we could always
> > ship the GStreamer one and start the PA one only if PA is running, but
> > that’s not
On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 09:47 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le lundi 12 janvier 2009 à 20:54 +0100, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
> > > Oh right, so we have to choose between supporting only PA and screw
> > > other users, or not benefit from PA at all. What a choice.
> >
> > Uh? You can ship both
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 18:33, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mon, 12.01.09 16:55, Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org) wrote:
>
> > Le lundi 12 janvier 2009 à 15:43 +0100, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
> > > I don't think the advent of sound cards that do this kind of switching
> > > in software sho
Le lundi 12 janvier 2009 à 20:54 +0100, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
> > Oh right, so we have to choose between supporting only PA and screw
> > other users, or not benefit from PA at all. What a choice.
>
> Uh? You can ship both if you wish and pass the decision what to use to
> the user. I mean,
On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 14:21 +, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> The answer to your question is that a microphone icon will show up in
> the notification area when an application uses it, and only for that
> microphone. So you don't need 2 applets to change the volume for your
> webcam's microphone and t
Op zondag 11-01-2009 om 12:09 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Diego
Escalante Urrelo:
> > Apart from the usual philosophical discussions about what should or
> > should not go in the notification area, using a notification icon in
> > this case is especially annoying (at least for me) since it me
eOn Mon, 12.01.09 20:23, Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org) wrote:
> Le lundi 12 janvier 2009 à 17:33 +0100, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
> > Isn't the fact that we plan to include both volume controls in GNOME
> > transition phase enough? Those distros who like PA adopt the new one,
> > the ones
Le lundi 12 janvier 2009 à 17:33 +0100, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
> Isn't the fact that we plan to include both volume controls in GNOME
> transition phase enough? Those distros who like PA adopt the new one,
> the ones who don't continue to use the old one. Distros who are unable
> to decide ha
Lennart:
However,
the benefits of using PulseAudio when using OSS don't seem to be
as compelling as when you are using ALSA since OSS has mixing
functionalities lacking in ALSA already built in.
These are misconceptions. Misconceptions about what ALSA does, and
about what PA does. ALSA does ha
On Mon, 12.01.09 16:55, Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org) wrote:
> Le lundi 12 janvier 2009 à 15:43 +0100, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
> > I don't think the advent of sound cards that do this kind of switching
> > in software should hold as back and require us to export every single
> > crazy vo
Le lundi 12 janvier 2009 à 15:43 +0100, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
> I don't think the advent of sound cards that do this kind of switching
> in software should hold as back and require us to export every single
> crazy volume control to the user.
Still, this is not a reason to break things on
On Mon, 12.01.09 10:01, Enver ALTIN (eal...@gmail.com) wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 17:53 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > I’m more worried about the applet. While I perfectly understand the
> > benefits gnome-volume-control can have by using PA directly, there is
> > nothing in the applet’s U
On Sun, 11.01.09 15:08, Brian Cameron (brian.came...@sun.com) wrote:
Heya,
> Note that Solaris does not yet use PulseAudio. On Solaris we are
> currently using the GStreamer backend for libcanberra, so it is
> incorrect to say that it is an official approved dependency just
> by virtue of libcan
On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 12:09 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote:
> On 1/11/09, Paolo Borelli wrote:
> >
> > Apart from the usual philosophical discussions about what should or
> > should not go in the notification area, using a notification icon in
> > this case is especially annoying (at least
On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 13:57 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote:
> Le lundi 12 janvier 2009, à 10:54 +0100, Frederic Crozat a écrit :
> > Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 04:39 +, Bastien Nocera a écrit :
> > > On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 00:10 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
> > > > Ahoj,
> > > >
> > > > a reminder
Le lundi 12 janvier 2009, à 10:54 +0100, Frederic Crozat a écrit :
> Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 04:39 +, Bastien Nocera a écrit :
> > On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 00:10 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
> > > Ahoj,
> > >
> > > a reminder that module inclusion discussion must heat up now.
> > > At Janua
Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 15:55 -0500, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
> > Can you explain me how removing IEC958 support (to only talk of the
> > example on the top of my head) is a progression?
>
> Ah, maybe I finally get to learn what that mysterious checkbox labeled
> "IEC958" was supposed to do
Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 04:39 +, Bastien Nocera a écrit :
> On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 00:10 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
> > Ahoj,
> >
> > a reminder that module inclusion discussion must heat up now.
> > At January 19th, Module Freeze takes place: New modules and
> > functionality for GNOME
On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 17:53 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> I’m more worried about the applet. While I perfectly understand the
> benefits gnome-volume-control can have by using PA directly, there is
> nothing in the applet’s UI that will be improved this way. Why not keep
> the current GStreamer
Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 20:08 +0100, Wouter Bolsterlee a écrit :
> 2009-01-11 klockan 19:52 skrev Guillaume Desmottes:
> > Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 16:21 +, Sjoerd Simons a écrit :
> > > [...] add telepathy-farsight[0] as an external dependency for that for
> > > Empathy's voip suppo
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Frederic Peters wrote:
> Brian Cameron wrote:
>
>> Note that Solaris does not yet use PulseAudio. On Solaris we are
>> currently using the GStreamer backend for libcanberra, so it is
>> incorrect to say that it is an official approved dependency just
>> by virtue
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:10:29AM +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
> Ahoj,
>
> a reminder that module inclusion discussion must heat up now.
> At January 19th, Module Freeze takes place: New modules and
> functionality for GNOME 2.26 will be chosen[1]. Next weekend, the GNOME
> Release Team will meet
Brian Cameron wrote:
> Note that Solaris does not yet use PulseAudio. On Solaris we are
> currently using the GStreamer backend for libcanberra, so it is
> incorrect to say that it is an official approved dependency just
> by virtue of libcanberra.
Oh sorry about that, I didn't know libcanberra
Frederic:
Note that Solaris does not yet use PulseAudio. On Solaris we are
currently using the GStreamer backend for libcanberra, so it is
incorrect to say that it is an official approved dependency just
by virtue of libcanberra.
If it is necessary to integrate PulseAudio for gnome-mixer
funct
2009/1/11 Josselin Mouette :
>
> Can you explain me how removing IEC958 support (to only talk of the
> example on the top of my head) is a progression?
Ah, maybe I finally get to learn what that mysterious checkbox labeled
"IEC958" was supposed to do.
_
2009-01-11 klockan 19:52 skrev Guillaume Desmottes:
> Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 16:21 +, Sjoerd Simons a écrit :
> > [...] add telepathy-farsight[0] as an external dependency for that for
> > Empathy's voip support. [...]
> Just to complete this, the advantages of this switch include:
> - F
Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 16:21 +, Sjoerd Simons a écrit :
> Sorry for being late. We'd like to add telepathy-farsight[0] as an external
> dependency for that for Empathy's voip support. Which itself depends on
> farsight2[1] and indirectly on libnice[2] Currently it uses
> telepathy-stream
On 1/11/09, Paolo Borelli wrote:
>
> Apart from the usual philosophical discussions about what should or
> should not go in the notification area, using a notification icon in
> this case is especially annoying (at least for me) since it means I
> cannot place the volume control in the top rig
Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 16:51 +0100, Luca Ferretti a écrit :
> A. With pulseaudio
> * gnome-volume-control (NEW, not the previous one) from
> gnome-media
> * gnome-volume-control-applet from gnome-media (new, a
> notification ic
Paolo Borelli wrote:
> Il giorno dom, 11/01/2009 alle 16.51 +0100, Luca Ferretti ha scritto:
> > * gnome-volume-control-applet from gnome-media (new, a
> > notification icon, not a real panel applet like the
> > previous one)
>
> Maybe I missed an exi
2009/1/11 Josselin Mouette :
> Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 10:37 -0500, William Jon McCann a écrit :
>> 2009/1/11 Josselin Mouette :
>> > So, there is no more GStreamer mixer? It is not possible to use any
>> > other backend than PulseAudio? It looks like an important regression to
>> > me.
>>
>>
Luca Ferretti wrote:
> In GNOME 2.24 we have
>
> * gnome-volume-control (AKA gst-mixer) from gnome-media
> * gnome-sound-properties from gnome-control-center
> * mixer_applet2 from gnome-applets
>
> In current development release we have (at least it seems to me):
>
>
Il giorno dom, 11/01/2009 alle 16.51 +0100, Luca Ferretti ha scritto:
> * gnome-volume-control-applet from gnome-media (new, a
> notification icon, not a real panel applet like the
> previous one)
Maybe I missed an existing discussion about this, but I
Il giorno dom, 11/01/2009 alle 16.24 +0100, Josselin Mouette ha scritto:
> Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 12:21 +0100, Luca Ferretti a écrit :
> > Please also note that on current trunk the Audio capplet from
> > gnome-control-center and the Volume Control applet from gnome-applets
> > was replaced
Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 10:37 -0500, William Jon McCann a écrit :
> 2009/1/11 Josselin Mouette :
> > So, there is no more GStreamer mixer? It is not possible to use any
> > other backend than PulseAudio? It looks like an important regression to
> > me.
>
> It is interesting to me how, for th
2009/1/11 Josselin Mouette :
> Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 12:21 +0100, Luca Ferretti a écrit :
>> Please also note that on current trunk the Audio capplet from
>> gnome-control-center and the Volume Control applet from gnome-applets
>> was replaced in favour of new gnome-volume-control and
>> gn
Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 12:21 +0100, Luca Ferretti a écrit :
> Please also note that on current trunk the Audio capplet from
> gnome-control-center and the Volume Control applet from gnome-applets
> was replaced in favour of new gnome-volume-control and
> gnome-volume-control-applet[1] in gno
Il giorno dom, 11/01/2009 alle 00.10 +0100, Andre Klapper ha scritto:
> Ahoj,
>
> Proposed External Deps:
> * libproxy
> * unique
> * Mono.Addins
> * libgda
> * libnotify
> * notification-daemon
> * libmapi
> * samba4
>
Please also note that on cu
On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 00:10 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
> Ahoj,
>
> a reminder that module inclusion discussion must heat up now.
> At January 19th, Module Freeze takes place: New modules and
> functionality for GNOME 2.26 will be chosen[1]. Next weekend, the GNOME
> Release Team will meet and de
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 04:40, Andre Klapper wrote:
> Proposed External Deps:
> * libproxy
> * unique
> * Mono.Addins
> * libgda
> * libnotify
> * notification-daemon
> * libmapi
> * samba4
>
> If you already have proposed a module on this mailing list and i
On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 00:10 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
> Please do not propose *new* modules now, it's too late.
> You can do this again in October for GNOME 2.28.
I guess you meant to say "in April", October would be a bit late for
2.28 ;)
bye
Andreas
--
Andreas Proschofsky
Gentoo Developer
Ahoj,
a reminder that module inclusion discussion must heat up now.
At January 19th, Module Freeze takes place: New modules and
functionality for GNOME 2.26 will be chosen[1]. Next weekend, the GNOME
Release Team will meet and decide about the proposed modules.
Readers: We have already seen comm
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