Hey Andy,
Andy Wingo wrote:
> Hi Alan,
>
> FWIW I mostly like GNOME 3, so I don't want to pile on the flamefest.
> But this bothered me:
>
> On Sun 06 Feb 2011 15:27, Allan Day writes:
>
> > Even if you had records of every discussion, you wouldn't get the
> > information you're looking for.
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 5:36 PM, C.J. Adams-Collier wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 18:37 -0500, William Jon McCann wrote:
>> Hi,
>
> Howdy!
>
>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 5:58 PM, C.J. Adams-Collier
>> wrote:
>> > On Tue, 2011-02-08 at 01:04 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>> >> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011
On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 18:37 -0500, William Jon McCann wrote:
> Hi,
Howdy!
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 5:58 PM, C.J. Adams-Collier
> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2011-02-08 at 01:04 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> >> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Andre Klapper wrote:
> >> > On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 19:19
Hi,
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 5:58 PM, C.J. Adams-Collier wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-02-08 at 01:04 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Andre Klapper wrote:
>> > On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 19:19 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>> >> Is there a place where IRC logs of discussions
On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 14:53 -0800, C.J. Adams-Collier wrote:
> Yeah, we don't have that sort of service. If you'd like, I can talk
> with the rest of the crew about putting something together.
Slightly related, HipChat got IRC a step ahead (less geeky, more
pleasant and with log recording). I me
On Tue, 2011-02-08 at 01:04 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Andre Klapper wrote:
> > On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 19:19 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> >> Is there a place where IRC logs of discussions from the various
> >> channels can be found?
> >
> > I am not aware
Yeah, we don't have that sort of service. If you'd like, I can talk
with the rest of the crew about putting something together.
On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 19:52 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 19:19 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> > Is there a place where IRC logs of discussions f
"Murray Cumming" wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 14:27 +, Allan Day wrote:
> > It simply isn't true to say that we haven't made an effort to
> > explain what we're doing. I explained many of the design
> > considerations in my blog post [1] on this subject, and I did that
> > precisely because
On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 14:27 +, Allan Day wrote:
> It simply isn't true to say that we haven't made an effort to explain what
> we're doing. I explained many of the design considerations in my blog post
> [1] on this subject, and I did that precisely because I wanted to help people
> to be in
Hi Alan,
FWIW I mostly like GNOME 3, so I don't want to pile on the flamefest.
But this bothered me:
On Sun 06 Feb 2011 15:27, Allan Day writes:
> Even if you had records of every discussion, you wouldn't get the
> information you're looking for. Design decisions don't get made
> committee meet
Hi,
Shaun McCance wrote:
> Maintainers will inevitably have to say "no" sometimes. There are
> different ways of doing that. On the one extreme, you can just tell
> people they're stupid. On the other, you can carefully explain your
> reasoning each and every time. And there's a whole lot of gray
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Andre Klapper wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 19:19 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>> Is there a place where IRC logs of discussions from the various
>> channels can be found?
>
> I am not aware of any automated GimpNet IRC channel logging and
> publishing.
>
It wo
On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 19:19 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> Is there a place where IRC logs of discussions from the various
> channels can be found?
I am not aware of any automated GimpNet IRC channel logging and
publishing.
andre
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2011/2/6 Nirbheek Chauhan :
> On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
>> On 02/05/2011 06:25 PM, Maciej Piechotka wrote:
>>>
>>> IRC channels seems to be used in gnome development. It may be just me
>>> but I believe that recent power setting "crisis" show (I contrast them
>>> to ma
On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 21:52 +0100, Dave Neary wrote:
> "A community project means exactly what Paul says - it is not a
> democracy. Your argument is one of the main fallacies circulated about
> free software - just because the project is free software does not mean
> that everyone's opinion carries
> Guys, for a sake of a sanity. I've been around gnome since pre 2.0
> times. And all times up to now we supposed that OSS is about
> democratic process, where programmers are not told buy big enterprise
News to me, and flagship projects like the Linux kernel run on the "Linus
is boss" model.
The
On Mon, Feb 07, 2011 at 12:41:59AM -0800, Baybal Ni wrote:
> Guys, for a sake of a sanity. I've been around gnome since pre 2.0
> times. And all times up to now we supposed that OSS is about
> democratic process, where programmers are not told buy big enterprise
General attitude is that it is a me
On Sat, 2011-02-05 at 18:14 -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> On Feb 5, 2011 5:15 PM, "Maciej Macin Piechotka"
> wrote:
> >
> > On 05/02/2011 21:55, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> > > (all research that had previously been done by the
> > > design team).
> ...
> > Then show yourdesign team work!
>
> h
Hi!
> Guys, for a sake of a sanity. I've been around gnome since pre 2.0
> times. And all times up to now we supposed that OSS is about
> democratic process, where programmers are not told buy big enterprise
> daddy what to write. Now, you former windows/sco/ibm/sun programmers
> are coming and sa
On 6 February 2011 12:52, Dave Neary wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Gendre Sebastien wrote:
>> Le samedi 05 février 2011 à 11:43 -0600, Paul Cutler a écrit :
>>> Development is not a democracy
>>
>> For a personal project, no. But Gnome is not your personal project, it's
>> a community project. The light of thi
Hi,
Gendre Sebastien wrote:
> Le samedi 05 février 2011 à 11:43 -0600, Paul Cutler a écrit :
>> Development is not a democracy
>
> For a personal project, no. But Gnome is not your personal project, it's
> a community project. The light of this, you have a duty of openness to
> the whole communit
On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 22:39 +0100, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
> I really, really, want the communication channels fixed though. It
> looked like Maciej wanted to put some time into working on fixing
> this
> too, hence why I asked for the help.
While I fully understand why the help is expected from
On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 15:39 +0100, Gendre Sebastien wrote:
> Le samedi 05 février 2011 à 15:55 -0600, Jason D. Clinton a écrit :
> > You characterized the situation with the power manager as a "crisis"
> > and yet, while your description is more than a little hyperbolic, that
> > situation demonstr
On 02/06/2011 06:35 PM, Shaun McCance wrote:
On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 14:46 +0100, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
We totally need to make that stuff more visible though, and therefore I
need your help with setting up a wordpress image blog where we can
publish all the mockups (kind of like http://dribbble.
On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 14:46 +0100, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
> We totally need to make that stuff more visible though, and therefore I
> need your help with setting up a wordpress image blog where we can
> publish all the mockups (kind of like http://dribbble.com/). I can do
> the design bits, but
On 06/02/2011 14:27, Allan Day wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Maciej Piechotka wrote:
>> Then show yourdesign team work! All I'm
>> hearing is that research have been done and the issue have been taken
>> into consideration during disussion but I DON'T have any references. I
>> cannot see logs of IRC (at least
sø., 06.02.2011 kl. 15.39 +0100, skrev Gendre Sebastien:
[SNIP]
> And remember: People have no problem with the default behavior of the
> laptop when you close the lid, but with the absence to change this
> behavior.
>
I thought it was said early on in this thread that users can change this
in
Hi,
Maciej Piechotka wrote:
> Then show yourdesign team work! All I'm
> hearing is that research have been done and the issue have been taken
> into consideration during disussion but I DON'T have any references. I
> cannot see logs of IRC (at least google is not showing them), blogs does
> not di
On 06/02/2011 13:46, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
> All designs goes in the wiki though and most (if not all) also live in
> this repo http://gitorious.org/gnome-design
As I said - there is difference between the result and process. There
have been stated that the design team studied the topic but nowhe
On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
> On 02/05/2011 06:25 PM, Maciej Piechotka wrote:
>>
>> IRC channels seems to be used in gnome development. It may be just me
>> but I believe that recent power setting "crisis" show (I contrast them
>> to mailing lists):
>>
>> - Requires pre
I would not go so far as to recommend against discussing important items on
irc, but there is general consensus that it is a somewhat ephemeral medium
and that anything requiring persistence should also be documented as a bug
or blog post.
On Feb 5, 2011 9:26 AM, "Maciej Piechotka" wrote:
> IRC ch
On 02/05/2011 06:25 PM, Maciej Piechotka wrote:
IRC channels seems to be used in gnome development. It may be just me
but I believe that recent power setting "crisis" show (I contrast them
to mailing lists):
- Requires presence. Many people cannot afford being on irc 24/7 - both
developers, po
Le samedi 05 février 2011 à 15:55 -0600, Jason D. Clinton a écrit :
> You characterized the situation with the power manager as a "crisis"
> and yet, while your description is more than a little hyperbolic, that
> situation demonstrates that precisely what you are asking for is not
> productive.
On 06/02/2011 14:13, Gendre Sebastien wrote:
> Le samedi 05 février 2011 à 11:43 -0600, Paul Cutler a écrit :
>> Development is not a democracy
>
> For a personal project, no. But Gnome is not your personal project, it's
> a community project.
Even if the practice shows that it is good to have di
Le samedi 05 février 2011 à 11:43 -0600, Paul Cutler a écrit :
> Development is not a democracy
For a personal project, no. But Gnome is not your personal project, it's
a community project. The light of this, you have a duty of openness to
the whole community.
So far I have mostly attended one-wa
On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 03:13 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 06, 2011 at 02:02:10AM +, Maciej Piechotka wrote:
> > On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 02:52 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote:
> > > On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 05:25:08PM +, Maciej Piechotka wrote:
> > > > Could there be a recommendation again
On Sun, Feb 06, 2011 at 02:02:10AM +, Maciej Piechotka wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 02:52 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 05:25:08PM +, Maciej Piechotka wrote:
> > > Could there be a recommendation against discussion of important
> > > decisions on IRC? While I unde
On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 02:52 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 05:25:08PM +, Maciej Piechotka wrote:
> > Could there be a recommendation against discussion of important
> > decisions on IRC? While I understand that it may slow down process
> > probably but it would improve dev
On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 05:25:08PM +, Maciej Piechotka wrote:
> Could there be a recommendation against discussion of important
> decisions on IRC? While I understand that it may slow down process
> probably but it would improve developer-user relationships as well as
> transparency and inclusi
On Feb 5, 2011 5:15 PM, "Maciej Macin Piechotka" <
maciej.piechotk...@imperial.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> On 05/02/2011 21:55, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> > (all research that had previously been done by the
> > design team).
...
> Then show yourdesign team work!
http://live.gnome.org/action/info/Design/Syst
On 05/02/2011 21:55, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 13:43, Maciej Piechotka wrote:
>> While it might be a stretch analogy but some people argue in various
>> companies (not every company and it may be argued how good the policy
>> is) to open the discussion/design process to comm
On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 13:43, Maciej Piechotka wrote:
> While it might be a stretch analogy but some people argue in various
> companies (not every company and it may be argued how good the policy
> is) to open the discussion/design process to community (I think I heard
> about Dell, Starbucks and
On Sat, 2011-02-05 at 11:43 -0600, Paul Cutler wrote:
> You're asking to change the way things have been done for years -
> which isn't an argument to not do things that way, but just pointing
> it ou.
>
> However, the GNOME Design team has regular office hours in IRC where
> everyone is welcome t
On Sat, 2011-02-05 at 11:43 -0600, Paul Cutler wrote:
> You're asking to change the way things have been done for years -
> which isn't an argument to not do things that way, but just pointing
> it ou.
>
> However, the GNOME Design team has regular office hours in IRC where
> everyone is welcome to
You're asking to change the way things have been done for years -
which isn't an argument to not do things that way, but just pointing
it ou.
However, the GNOME Design team has regular office hours in IRC where
everyone is welcome to come and ask questions - I'm not a designer,
but I don't know wh
IRC channels seems to be used in gnome development. It may be just me
but I believe that recent power setting "crisis" show (I contrast them
to mailing lists):
- Requires presence. Many people cannot afford being on irc 24/7 - both
developers, potential developers or just interested users. The ho
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