Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-11 Thread Sebastian Pölsterl
James \"Doc\" Livingston wrote: > On Sat, 2006-10-07 at 13:09 -0600, Tom Tromey wrote: >[...] >> How does this relate to python eggs[2]? And if it doesn't, why not? >> It seems to me that if there's an upstream project that handles a lot >> of this, then it would be beneficial to simply re-use it

Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-11 Thread James \"Doc\" Livingston
On Sat, 2006-10-07 at 13:09 -0600, Tom Tromey wrote: > What happens if a distro wants to ship a plugin? I'm specifically > thinking about upgrades and versioning, and making sure the manager > does the right thing. E.g., consider this scenario: the distro ships > a plugin (version 1), then the u

Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-10 Thread Reinout van Schouwen
Op dinsdag 10-10-2006 om 11:29 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Josselin Mouette: > As Epiphany extensions are tightly dependent on the Epiphany version, I > don't think it would be very useful. Tighly dependent? What makes you think so? Not all recent extension may be compatible with earlier Epipha

Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-10 Thread Sebastian Pölsterl
Hi! I released a new version that already contains some of the suggestions made here: * Support for GnuPG signatures (the XML file must contain an element http://www.example.com/path/to/myfile.tar.gz.sig). The public key will be automatically imported from a key server, * XML element version now

Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 10 octobre 2006 à 10:49 +0200, Reinout van Schouwen a écrit : > In the specific case of Epiphany-extensions, it's a great advantage that > Epiphany users who are locked into a certain older distro for whatever > reason, can benefit from new features that are shipped with newer > Epiphany r

Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-10 Thread Reinout van Schouwen
Op za, 07-10-2006 te 20:45 +0200, schreef Chipzz: > And those still should be updated by the distribution (in case they came > with the distribution in the first place). I disagree. In the specific case of Epiphany-extensions, it's a great advantage that Epiphany users who are locked into a certa

Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-09 Thread Sebastian Pölsterl
James Henstridge wrote: > On 08/10/06, Sebastian Pölsterl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Tom Tromey wrote: >> > How does this relate to python eggs[2]? And if it doesn't, why not? >> > It seems to me that if there's an upstream project that handles a lot >> > of this, then it would be beneficial t

Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-09 Thread Sebastian Pölsterl
Diego Escalante wrote: >> > What happens if a distro wants to ship a plugin? I'm specifically >> > thinking about upgrades and versioning, and making sure the manager >> > does the right thing. E.g., consider this scenario: the distro ships >> > a plugin (version 1), then the user updates from t

Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-08 Thread James Henstridge
On 08/10/06, Sebastian Pölsterl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tom Tromey wrote: > > How does this relate to python eggs[2]? And if it doesn't, why not? > > It seems to me that if there's an upstream project that handles a lot > > of this, then it would be beneficial to simply re-use it. > > > eggs

Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-08 Thread Diego Escalante
First of all, congratulations to everyone involved in NSM. I think it's a great idea. Let me give my humble opinion on this On 10/8/06, Sebastian Pölsterl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tom Tromey wrote: > > > > I've got a few questions about it. I've tried to read through all the > > available

Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-08 Thread Sebastian Pölsterl
Tom Tromey wrote: > > I've got a few questions about it. I've tried to read through all the > available info -- forgive me if I missed something. > > First, you may want to read through the JNLP spec[1] for ideas. JNLP > is more or less the equivalent java technology, though a bit more > applica

Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-07 Thread Tom Tromey
> "Sebastian" == Sebastian Pölsterl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Sebastian> I'm posting this here to encourage you to read my Sebastian> presentation at Sebastian> http://www.k-d-w.org/clipboard/NewStuffManager/ and to find Sebastian> out what you are expecting from such an application. I've g

Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-07 Thread Sebastian Pölsterl
Chipzz wrote: >> Indeed, applications should be updated by the distribution. But >> NewStuffManager is intended to update plugins only not hole >> applications. > > And those still should be updated by the distribution (in case they came > with the distribution in the first place). > In the case o

Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-07 Thread Chipzz
On Fri, 6 Oct 2006, Shahms King wrote: Shaun McCance wrote: > On Fri, 2006-10-06 at 21:10 +0200, Sebastian Pölsterl wrote: >> Lastly. RPM or deb files aren't internationalized either. > > I didn't know RPM and deb weren't internationalized. If that's > the case, I think that's a very poor deci

Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-07 Thread Chipzz
And those still should be updated by the distribution (in case they came with the distribution in the first place). kr, Jan On Sat, 7 Oct 2006, Sebastian Pölsterl wrote: Martin Waitz wrote: Isn't updating applications something which should be solved by the distribution? What do you do in

Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-07 Thread Sebastian Pölsterl
Shaun McCance wrote: > > You absolutely can translate the name of a plugin, just as we > translate the names of applications. You certainly want stable > IDs, but names are human-readable content. The first example > we encounter on the web page is "Leo.org dictionary". The word > "dictionary"

Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-07 Thread Sebastian Pölsterl
Martin Waitz wrote: > > Isn't updating applications something which should be solved by the > distribution? What do you do in multi-user installations? > Indeed, applications should be updated by the distribution. But NewStuffManager is intended to update plugins only not hole applications. --

Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-07 Thread Martin Waitz
hoi :) On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 01:40:37PM +0200, Sebastian Pölsterl wrote: > I'm posting this here to encourage you to read my presentation at > http://www.k-d-w.org/clipboard/NewStuffManager/ and to find out what you > are expecting from such an application. Isn't updating applications something

Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-06 Thread Shahms King
Shaun McCance wrote: > On Fri, 2006-10-06 at 21:10 +0200, Sebastian Pölsterl wrote: >> Shaun McCance wrote: >>> I have some comments and questions after reading that >>> page. Mind you, I haven't downloaded NewStuffManager >>> or dug into it. I'm going off of what you've described >>> on the web

Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-06 Thread Shaun McCance
On Fri, 2006-10-06 at 21:10 +0200, Sebastian Pölsterl wrote: > Shaun McCance wrote: > > > > I have some comments and questions after reading that > > page. Mind you, I haven't downloaded NewStuffManager > > or dug into it. I'm going off of what you've described > > on the web page. > > > > The re

Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-06 Thread Sebastian Pölsterl
Shaun McCance wrote: > > I have some comments and questions after reading that > page. Mind you, I haven't downloaded NewStuffManager > or dug into it. I'm going off of what you've described > on the web page. > > The repository XML files contain human-readable strings, > like the name element.

Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-06 Thread Shaun McCance
On Fri, 2006-10-06 at 13:40 +0200, Sebastian Pölsterl wrote: > Hi! > > My name is Sebastian I'm 20 years old and co-author of Deskbar-Applet for > about 3 months. > You may have heard > (http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-July/msg00807.html) > of NewStuffManager from Nigel Tao

Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-06 Thread Sebastian Pölsterl
Andrew Sobala wrote: > > Hi Sebastian, > > I missed Nigel's original e-mail, and on reading it now, I think an > extension downloading and applying mechanism is needed in GNOME. Thanks > loads for working on this, you rock :-) > Thanks a lot! > I haven't looked at the presentation in too much dep

Re: Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-06 Thread Andrew Sobala
Sebastian Pölsterl wrote: > I'm posting this here to encourage you to read my presentation at > http://www.k-d-w.org/clipboard/NewStuffManager/ and to find out what you > are expecting from such an application. > Hi Sebastian, I missed Nigel's original e-mail, and on reading it now, I think an

Introducing NewStuffManager

2006-10-06 Thread Sebastian Pölsterl
Hi! My name is Sebastian I'm 20 years old and co-author of Deskbar-Applet for about 3 months. You may have heard (http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-July/msg00807.html) of NewStuffManager from Nigel Tao some time ago. So, I'm the guy who's responsible for that project. But th