Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-11-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 13:14 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: > Le jeudi 23 octobre 2008, à 14:53 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : > > Heya, > > > > I'd be interested in getting gnome-user-share into GNOME 2.26. > > Same comments as the ones I did for brasero :-) > > Please add gnome-user-share to the l

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-11-06 Thread Vincent Untz
Le jeudi 23 octobre 2008, à 14:53 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : > Heya, > > I'd be interested in getting gnome-user-share into GNOME 2.26. Same comments as the ones I did for brasero :-) Please add gnome-user-share to the list at the top of http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentyfive/Desktop and

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-28 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 03:06 +0200, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: > 2008/10/24 Bastien Nocera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 21:11 +0200, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: > >> Isn't that what nfs does? Or for that matter, ftp? I don't understand > >> why a web server is needed for sharing files. > >

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-28 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 13:22 +, Frej Soya wrote: > Bastien Nocera hadess.net> writes: > > > > > Heya, > > > > I'd be interested in getting gnome-user-share into GNOME 2.26. > snip.. > > > > We're also looking into integrating Frank Scholz' UPNP sharing work (see > > http://coherence.beebit

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-28 Thread Frej Soya
Bastien Nocera hadess.net> writes: > > Heya, > > I'd be interested in getting gnome-user-share into GNOME 2.26. snip.. > > We're also looking into integrating Frank Scholz' UPNP sharing work (see > http://coherence.beebits.net/wiki/Nautilus). This would be really cool, especially if it makes

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-25 Thread Wouter Bolsterlee
2008-10-25 klockan 03:06 skrev BJörn Lindqvist: > Also, I would like to mount the shares like you can with samba and nfs > shares. But I assume that is out of scope for g-u-s. Afaik gvfs has quite decent WebDAV support. — Wouter -- :wq mail

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-25 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 15:34 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Lennart Poettering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 24.10.08 20:14, Josselin Mouette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >> Contrary to what the name suggest, lighttpd is not just a lightweight > >> web serv

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-25 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Lennart Poettering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 24.10.08 20:14, Josselin Mouette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> Contrary to what the name suggest, lighttpd is not just a lightweight >> web server, it is a powerful and complete implementation used by some of >

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-25 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 24 octobre 2008 à 23:17 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : > Also note that whatever solution is chosen, this needs to be possible: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=529852 Interesting. AFAIK lighttpd can use xattrs to set the MIME type, but not sniff them. > http://bugzilla.g

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-24 Thread BJörn Lindqvist
2008/10/24 Bastien Nocera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 21:11 +0200, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: >> Isn't that what nfs does? Or for that matter, ftp? I don't understand >> why a web server is needed for sharing files. > > WebDAV is supported natively with Bonjour/Zeroconf in MacOS X and

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-24 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 15:16 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le jeudi 23 octobre 2008 à 17:02 +0200, Frederic Peters a écrit : > > A point Patryk touched is that generic distributions will provide > > Apache packages configured to run at startup, so it is not just a > > matter of binary size. > >

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 24 octobre 2008 à 20:58 +0200, Lennart Poettering a écrit : > I don't think that this kind of FUD about Apache is very > constructive. Just because lighttpd has a "light" in its name it > doesn't mean that Apache is a slow huge beast. That is nonsense. And just because Apache is famous

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-24 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 21:11 +0200, BJörn Lindqvist wrote: > Isn't that what nfs does? Or for that matter, ftp? I don't understand > why a web server is needed for sharing files. WebDAV is supported natively with Bonjour/Zeroconf in MacOS X and Windows, and is very well supported in GVFS and Nautil

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-24 Thread BJörn Lindqvist
Isn't that what nfs does? Or for that matter, ftp? I don't understand why a web server is needed for sharing files. 2008/10/23, Bastien Nocera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Heya, > > I'd be interested in getting gnome-user-share into GNOME 2.26. > > Currently, gnome-user-share is a simple capplet and "da

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-24 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 24.10.08 20:14, Josselin Mouette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Le vendredi 24 octobre 2008 à 12:53 -0400, David Zeuthen a écrit : > > As I said, it's clear to me that Apache does meet our goals here. If you > > want to propose something else, the burden is on you to provide evidence > > tha

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 24 octobre 2008 à 12:53 -0400, David Zeuthen a écrit : > As I said, it's clear to me that Apache does meet our goals here. If you > want to propose something else, the burden is on you to provide evidence > that what you propose is not only reasonably secure, but also have good > proces

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-24 Thread Jonh Wendell
Em Qui, 2008-10-23 às 14:53 +0100, Bastien Nocera escreveu: > Heya, > > I'd be interested in getting gnome-user-share into GNOME 2.26. > > But one of the main shorter term goals is to get the desktop sharing > feature of vino integrated into gnome-user-share. > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-24 Thread Michael Banck
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 06:19:54PM +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > Whoa? There is no Debian package simply because no one had stepped up so > > far. Christophe Sauthier is starting to work on it, and I will help him > > to get the necessary changes in postgresql. > > Thanks. BTW, I talked to one

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-24 Thread David Zeuthen
On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 15:16 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > I also think that Apache is a bad choice. If you need a good web server > with DAV support, please think of lighttpd instead, or - much better - > of a libsoup-based implementation. There's also security issues to consider. One good th

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-24 Thread Murray Cumming
On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 18:07 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le vendredi 24 octobre 2008 à 17:58 +0200, Murray Cumming a écrit : > > SQLLite can't do what PostgreSQL can do, which is why PostgresSQL > > exists. For instance: > > - Multi-user and the relevant locking. > > - Access control. > > - Net

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 24 octobre 2008 à 17:58 +0200, Murray Cumming a écrit : > SQLLite can't do what PostgreSQL can do, which is why PostgresSQL > exists. For instance: > - Multi-user and the relevant locking. > - Access control. > - Network access. As these are not things necessary for a UI generator, I t

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-24 Thread Murray Cumming
On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 15:11 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le jeudi 23 octobre 2008 à 18:22 +0200, Murray Cumming a écrit : > > Yeah, I have the same problem with Glom's dependency on PostgreSQL. > > Debian/Ubuntu users get an unused PostgreSQL instance even when Glom > > isn't running, just beca

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 23 octobre 2008 à 16:41 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : > > I doubt our server guys will get overly happy over the idea of > > disabling a typical server daemon just so you can integrate it with > > GNOME. I don't really think I want the server team to hate the GNOME > > team any more. >

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 23 octobre 2008 à 17:02 +0200, Frederic Peters a écrit : > A point Patryk touched is that generic distributions will provide > Apache packages configured to run at startup, so it is not just a > matter of binary size. > > What do distributors think? I think we could split the web server

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-24 Thread Matt Keenan
On Solaris, apache daemon is disabled by default aswell. Matt Vincent Untz wrote: Le vendredi 24 octobre 2008, à 14:38 +0200, Frederic Peters a écrit : Bastien already wrote about Fedora policy, httpd is disabled by default. I know that Debian policy is to consider that the user installing a

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 23 octobre 2008 à 18:22 +0200, Murray Cumming a écrit : > Yeah, I have the same problem with Glom's dependency on PostgreSQL. > Debian/Ubuntu users get an unused PostgreSQL instance even when Glom > isn't running, just because its Debian policy to run any services that > are installed, wit

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-24 Thread Dan Winship
Vincent Untz wrote: > Le vendredi 24 octobre 2008, à 14:38 +0200, Frederic Peters a écrit : >> Bastien already wrote about Fedora policy, httpd is disabled by >> default. I know that Debian policy is to consider that the user >> installing a server wants it to be started. From what I read of >> P

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-24 Thread Vincent Untz
Le vendredi 24 octobre 2008, à 14:38 +0200, Frederic Peters a écrit : > Bastien already wrote about Fedora policy, httpd is disabled by > default. I know that Debian policy is to consider that the user > installing a server wants it to be started. From what I read of > Patryk, PLD Linux also star

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-24 Thread Frederic Peters
Juan Jesús Ojeda Croissier wrote: > And what about Cherokee? > > http://www.cherokee-project.com > > It's small, modular, very light and easy to run as a user in specific > port (to avoid bother system web servers, for example) > > http://www.cherokee-project.com/doc/bundle_cherokee-worker.html

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-24 Thread Juan Jesús Ojeda Croissier
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Patryk Zawadzki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Bastien Nocera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 17:02 +0200, Frederic Peters wrote: >>> A point Patryk touched is that generic distributions will provide >>> Apache pack

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-23 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 17:02 +0200, Frederic Peters wrote: > Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > > Not only is Apache quite a huge dependency to have, it is also very > > > hard to package this into a generic distro where Apache comes > > > preconfigured for heavy server use (and the same is true for most

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-23 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 11:26 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > Hi, > > FWIW, this discussion happened about four years ago, see > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-November/msg00726.html > (note: the thread continues into December 2004) > > It might be useful for people to rere

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-23 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 17:15 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Bastien Nocera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 17:02 +0200, Frederic Peters wrote: > >> A point Patryk touched is that generic distributions will provide > >> Apache packages configured

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-23 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Patryk Zawadzki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also there seem to be lighter alternatives: > http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=658773 Also a Python GPL2 project: http://pywebdav.sourceforge.net/ -- Patryk Zawadzki ___ des

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-23 Thread David Zeuthen
Hi, FWIW, this discussion happened about four years ago, see http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-November/msg00726.html (note: the thread continues into December 2004) It might be useful for people to reread the thread there. On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 17:15 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-23 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Bastien Nocera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 17:02 +0200, Frederic Peters wrote: >> A point Patryk touched is that generic distributions will provide >> Apache packages configured to run at startup, so it is not just a >> matter of binary size.

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-23 Thread Dan Winship
Wouter Bolsterlee wrote: > 2008-10-23 klockan 16:14 skrev Patryk Zawadzki: >> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Bastien Nocera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I'd be interested in getting gnome-user-share into GNOME 2.26. >> Any plans on making it work without pushing Apache HTTPd onto >> desktops? A

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-23 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 17:02 +0200, Frederic Peters wrote: > Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > > Not only is Apache quite a huge dependency to have, it is also very > > > hard to package this into a generic distro where Apache comes > > > preconfigured for heavy server use (and the same is true for most

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-23 Thread Frederic Peters
Bastien Nocera wrote: > > Not only is Apache quite a huge dependency to have, it is also very > > hard to package this into a generic distro where Apache comes > > preconfigured for heavy server use (and the same is true for most > > "big" httpds). > > We're talking 3 megs of dependencies (and th

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-23 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 16:20 +0200, Wouter Bolsterlee wrote: > 2008-10-23 klockan 15:53 skrev Bastien Nocera: > > I'd be interested in getting gnome-user-share into GNOME 2.26. > > Hi Bastien, > > Great to hear this. > > This is definitely a +1 from me. Not being able to easily transfer a file >

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-23 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 16:14 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: > Any plans on making it work without pushing Apache HTTPd onto > desktops? A small embedded HTTP server should be enough. > > Not only is Apache quite a huge dependency to have, it is also very > hard to package this into a generic distro

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-23 Thread Wouter Bolsterlee
2008-10-23 klockan 16:14 skrev Patryk Zawadzki: > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Bastien Nocera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd be interested in getting gnome-user-share into GNOME 2.26. > > Any plans on making it work without pushing Apache HTTPd onto > desktops? A small embedded HTTP server

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-23 Thread Wouter Bolsterlee
2008-10-23 klockan 15:53 skrev Bastien Nocera: > I'd be interested in getting gnome-user-share into GNOME 2.26. Hi Bastien, Great to hear this. This is definitely a +1 from me. Not being able to easily transfer a file from my computer to e.g. a colleague's or friend's laptop without relying on a

Re: New module proposal: gnome-user-share

2008-10-23 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Bastien Nocera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Heya, > > I'd be interested in getting gnome-user-share into GNOME 2.26. > > Currently, gnome-user-share is a simple capplet and "daemon" combination > that, through obex-data-server and apache, provides users with simple