Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-16 Thread RUAUDEL Frédéric
Nelson Benítez wrote: Alexander Larsson wrote: If we divide nautilus-action between backend (gconf entries that defines menu items in nautilus) and frontend (nautilus-actions ui for edit those gconf entries) I think the proper solution would be to integrate the backend part into nautilus

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-16 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 23:58 +0100, Chipzz wrote: Gnome application is coming up with its own plug-in framework-- thus needlessly duplicating work. That's another thing - but weither that is possible... ? it is perfectly possible. There is a try in the gnome-office module in CVS, which

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-15 Thread Chipzz
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Steve Frécinaux wrote: Pat Suwalski wrote: Maybe it's time for a gedit-lite that bears much more resemblance to Windows notepad than where gedit is going. You must agree that Notepad is just a piece of crap. It absolutely is not. When on windows (which is not very

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-15 Thread Chipzz
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Paolo Borelli wrote: support disabled. That said we think that python support is a really important feature and it's having a huge success (I have seen more plugins in the last month than in the last two years). I'd love that A comment here which not only refers to gedit,

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-15 Thread Jamie McCracken
Chipzz wrote: On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Paolo Borelli wrote: support disabled. That said we think that python support is a really important feature and it's having a huge success (I have seen more plugins in the last month than in the last two years). I'd love that A comment here which not only

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-15 Thread Chipzz
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006, Jamie McCracken wrote: Chipzz wrote: On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Paolo Borelli wrote: support disabled. That said we think that python support is a really important feature and it's having a huge success (I have seen more plugins in the last month than in the last two years).

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-15 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 11:17 +0100, Chipzz wrote: On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Paolo Borelli wrote: support disabled. That said we think that python support is a really important feature and it's having a huge success (I have seen more plugins in the last month than in the last two years). I'd

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-15 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Chipzz wrote: A comment here which not only refers to gedit, but also to those other apps which are creating plugins: do we actually have a standard consis- tant cross-application framework for scripting? I don't know how good VBA is at this, but I think we cannot have a different approach for

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-15 Thread aigiskos
Hi, --- Emmanuele Bassi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 11:17 +0100, Chipzz wrote: snip A comment here which not only refers to gedit, but also to those other apps which are creating plugins: do we actually have a standard consis- tant cross-application framework for

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-15 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
Hi, On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 13:59 -0800, aigiskos wrote: Hi, --- Emmanuele Bassi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With python or perl or ruby or haskell or scheme we have an entire language with its own entire framework (for perl, think CPAN) with its own community of developers. VBA is

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-15 Thread Chipzz
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006, aigiskos wrote: Hi, --- Emmanuele Bassi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 11:17 +0100, Chipzz wrote: snip A comment here which not only refers to gedit, but also to those other apps which are creating plugins: do we actually have a standard

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-15 Thread Davyd Madeley
Quoting aigiskos [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I believe Chipzz was *not* suggesting that we adopt VBA as a de-facto scripting language for Gnome. Rather, I think he was suggesting that Gnome offer a common plug-in framework or API into which all applications can hook. I.e. He is worried that each Gnome

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-15 Thread James Henstridge
Emmanuele Bassi wrote: On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 11:17 +0100, Chipzz wrote: On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Paolo Borelli wrote: support disabled. That said we think that python support is a really important feature and it's having a huge success (I have seen more plugins in the last month than in

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-14 Thread Nelson Benítez
Alexander Larsson wrote: On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 13:10 +0100, Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 23:00 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: + nautilus-actions: there were some questions wrt to how it's integrated in nautilus. Some people wanted it to be integrated in some other way. No consensus,

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-13 Thread Davyd Madeley
On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 23:00 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: I will leave out dependency libraries from my thoughts, support of an application is support of the dependencies. + atomix: I don't remember seeing much discussion for this one. What do people think? Is Callum here? What do you think?

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-12 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 17:55 +1300, John Williams wrote: On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 22:47 +, Bastien Nocera wrote: + gnome-screensaver: people want this. I'd say we should go with it and I believe it's the general consensus, but maybe some people think it's not ready yet?

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-12 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 01:08 +0100, Paolo Borelli wrote: Il giorno gio, 12/01/2006 alle 01.02 +0100, Murray Cumming ha scritto: I don't understand how the python gtksourceview bindings are being used by gedit. Is it used by the plugin system or by a plugin that is supplied with gedit?

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-12 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 23:00 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: + fast-user-switch-applet: I think people were okay with it. It'd be nice to integrate it in the panel, but I'm not sure it will happen because of lack of time (flame me). I think there is already a patch for it. +

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-12 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 17:55 +1300, John Williams wrote: On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 22:47 +, Bastien Nocera wrote: + gnome-screensaver: people want this. I'd say we should go with it and I believe it's the general consensus, but maybe some people think it's not ready yet?

Re: Atomix [Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules]

2006-01-12 Thread Guilherme de S. Pastore
Em Qui, 2006-01-12 às 00:06 +, Alan Horkan escreveu: I have some criticisms of it none of which are show stoppers for playing and enjoying Atomix but it would be better if Atomix met the same high standards for accessibility, usability and documentation as other Gnome applications. Will

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-12 Thread Paolo Borelli
Il giorno gio, 12/01/2006 alle 12.13 +0100, Murray Cumming ha scritto: So, does gedit have the dependency because it ships python bindings in its tarball, but does not actually use those bindings itself? If so, why not just put the gedit bindings in gnome-python-extras, along with the

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-12 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 13:10 +0100, Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 23:00 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: + nautilus-actions: there were some questions wrt to how it's integrated in nautilus. Some people wanted it to be integrated in some other way. No consensus, but maybe the

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-12 Thread Mark Rosenstand
On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 01:35 +, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: Let's see. If I'm not mistaken, the modules wrapping gnome desktop libraries are: - gnomeapplet - gnomeprint, gnomeprint.ui - gtksourceview - wnck - totem.plparser - gtop - nautilusburn - mediaprofiles

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-12 Thread Vincent Untz
On Thu, January 12, 2006 16:33, Mark Rosenstand wrote: On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 01:35 +, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: Let's see. If I'm not mistaken, the modules wrapping gnome desktop libraries are: - gnomeapplet - gnomeprint, gnomeprint.ui - gtksourceview - wnck -

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-12 Thread Corey Burger
On 1/11/06, Emmanuele Bassi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 23:00 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: + gnome-power-manager: I don't remember much discussion. What do you think? Is it well-tested? Ubuntu has been shipping this for a while, first in Breezy then in Dapper; it

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-12 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
Hi, On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 14:23 -0800, Corey Burger wrote: On 1/11/06, Emmanuele Bassi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 23:00 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: + gnome-power-manager: I don't remember much discussion. What do you think? Is it well-tested? Ubuntu has

Re: Atomix [Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules]

2006-01-12 Thread Alan Horkan
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Guilherme de S. Pastore wrote: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:28:32 -0200 From: Guilherme de S. Pastore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Atomix [Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules] Em Qui, 2006-01-12 às 00:06 +

Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-11 Thread Vincent Untz
Hi all, Here's an attempt to sum up the current state of what looks like consensus about the proposed modules. It's an attempt, so I might be wrong :-) I'm not cross-posting, but input from translators and documentation writers is of course welcome. + pyorbit: I think everyone is okay with

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-11 Thread David Zeuthen
On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 23:00 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: + gnome-power-manager: I don't remember much discussion. What do you think? Is it well-tested? We ship this in Fedora Development and if I'm not mistaken so does SUSE and Ubuntu in their respective development trees. It appears to work

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-11 Thread Richard Hughes
On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 23:00 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: snip + gnome-power-manager: I don't remember much discussion. What do you think? Is it well-tested? + gnome-screensaver: people want this. I'd say we should go with it and I believe it's the general consensus, but maybe some people

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-11 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
Hi, On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 23:00 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: + gnome-power-manager: I don't remember much discussion. What do you think? Is it well-tested? Ubuntu has been shipping this for a while, first in Breezy then in Dapper; it works great for me (it enabled me to suspend my laptop by

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-11 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Vincent Untz wrote: Hi all, Hello, + deskbar-applet: most people were okay, some people thought it was eating too much memory. I'd say consensus was accept, but there's the issue that it depends on gnome-python-extras, which is not in the bindings. What should be done here? gedit 2.13.x

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-11 Thread Elijah Newren
On 1/11/06, Steve Frécinaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: + deskbar-applet: most people were okay, some people thought it was eating too much memory. I'd say consensus was accept, but there's the issue that it depends on gnome-python-extras, which is not in the bindings. What should be

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-11 Thread Callum McKenzie
On Thu, January 12, 2006 11:00 am, Vincent Untz said: + atomix: I don't remember seeing much discussion for this one. What do people think? Is Callum here? What do you think? We need a way of getting good games like atomix into the main distribution without them becoming yet another module.

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-11 Thread John (J5) Palmieri
On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 23:00 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Hi all, Here's an attempt to sum up the current state of what looks like consensus about the proposed modules. It's an attempt, so I might be wrong :-) + gnome-power-manager: I don't remember much discussion. What do you think? Is it

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-11 Thread Pat Suwalski
Elijah Newren wrote: gedit 2.13.x also depends on g-p-e, for the new python plugins (like the Snippets Plugin [1]). It requires at least the gtksourceview module, and perhaps the gnome-print bindings (I'm not sure). The previous consensus and agreement was that desktop modules could depend

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-11 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
Hi, On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 18:30 -0500, Pat Suwalski wrote: Murray's email, it's not suitable for that set either. So we need to determine what we want to do and reach consensus on this point as well. A variety of options exist: I'll bring a conservative point of view forward: binding

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-11 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 00:01 +0100, Steve Frécinaux wrote: Elijah Newren wrote: The previous consensus and agreement was that desktop modules could depend upon python bindings found in the bindings release set. gnome-python-extras isn't part of that set. gedit's main widget is

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-11 Thread Paolo Borelli
Il giorno gio, 12/01/2006 alle 01.02 +0100, Murray Cumming ha scritto: I don't understand how the python gtksourceview bindings are being used by gedit. Is it used by the plugin system or by a plugin that is supplied with gedit? The inheritance goes GtkTextBuffer - GtkSourceBuffer -

Text Editors [Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules]

2006-01-11 Thread Alan Horkan
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Pat Suwalski wrote: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:30:17 -0500 From: Pat Suwalski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Desktop Devel desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules Elijah Newren wrote: gedit 2.13.x also depends on g-p-e

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-11 Thread Steve Frécinaux
Pat Suwalski wrote: Maybe it's time for a gedit-lite that bears much more resemblance to Windows notepad than where gedit is going. You must agree that Notepad is just a piece of crap. As Paolo Borelli said, the new gedit is faster than the old one. It has been partly rewritten and gained

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-11 Thread Raphael Slinckx
On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 15:45 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: - don't allow desktop modules to depend on gnome-python-extras, unless they do so optionally (the state of things if we can't reach a consensus or no one bothers to drive issue to try to get one) This is not an option for python-based

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-11 Thread Johan Svedberg
* Jan 12 00:05 Steve Frécinaux [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Elijah Newren wrote: The previous consensus and agreement was that desktop modules could depend upon python bindings found in the bindings release set. gnome-python-extras isn't part of that set. gedit's main widget is gtksourceview, which

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-11 Thread Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro
Hi Paolo, On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 00:45 +0100, Paolo Borelli wrote: [...] The naive way to go at this would be splitting g-p-e in two (things that could go in the desktop like pygtksourceview, pyapplet etc and things that are not required for the desktop). However this distinction sounds

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-11 Thread Pat Suwalski
Steve Frécinaux wrote: You must agree that Notepad is just a piece of crap. Yes and no. For viewing things it would be perfectly okay if it could handle foreign forms of line breaks. But I digress. The keyword is simple. As Paolo Borelli said, the new gedit is faster than the old one. It

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-11 Thread John Williams
On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 22:47 +, Bastien Nocera wrote: + gnome-screensaver: people want this. I'd say we should go with it and I believe it's the general consensus, but maybe some people think it's not ready yet? Drop-in replacement for xscreensaver, but with a decent UI. I'm in.

Re: Trying to reach consensus for the proposed modules

2006-01-11 Thread Vincent Untz
Le mercredi 11 janvier 2006 à 22:47 +, Bastien Nocera a écrit : Salut Vincent, On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 23:00 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: + pyorbit: I think everyone is okay with this one What is it used for? I guess that's to add to the bindings. Your guess is correct :-) Vincent --