Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Rob Bradford
On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 16:51 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: On 9/11/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topic came up earlier, and I think there was a general consensus that it is a good idea to freeze the versions of external dependencies, and use tarball modules for them in the

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread James Henstridge
On 22/09/06, David Zeuthen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 23:09 -0400, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote: GARNOME does not roll or maintain source tarballs for developers. I do not know of any stable Linux distro that currently offers a new enough version of udev that provides

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Rob Bradford
On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 12:03 +0200, Rob Bradford wrote: On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 16:51 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: On 9/11/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topic came up earlier, and I think there was a general consensus that it is a good idea to freeze the versions of

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D.
Jürg, Thank you for introducing me to yet another GNU/Linux distro. Variety and innovation are things I truly love about the open source movement. The issue with HAL-0.5.8.x is one of timing. David jumped the gun by removing the source code for libvolume_id from HAL. Had he waited a few months,

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 9/22/06, Rob Bradford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 16:51 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: On 9/11/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topic came up earlier, and I think there was a general consensus that it is a good idea to freeze the versions of external

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D.
I believe that liboil-0.3.9 has a number of bug fixes. It appears to have been released a day after 0.3.8 was released: [ ] liboil-0.3.7.tar.gz 02-Feb-2006 23:06 804K [ ] liboil-0.3.8.tar.gz 21-Mar-2006 18:22 815K [ ] liboil-0.3.9.tar.gz 22-May-2006 21:41 814K dbus-glib

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Kjartan Maraas
fre, 22,.09.2006 kl. 12.03 +0200, skrev Rob Bradford: On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 16:51 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: On 9/11/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topic came up earlier, and I think there was a general consensus that it is a good idea to freeze the versions of external

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Kjartan Maraas
tor, 21,.09.2006 kl. 16.51 -0600, skrev Elijah Newren: On 9/11/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topic came up earlier, and I think there was a general consensus that it is a good idea to freeze the versions of external dependencies, and use tarball modules for them in the

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Kjartan Maraas
fre, 22,.09.2006 kl. 10.34 -0400, skrev Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D.: I believe that liboil-0.3.9 has a number of bug fixes. It appears to have been released a day after 0.3.8 was released: [ ] liboil-0.3.7.tar.gz 02-Feb-2006 23:06 804K [ ] liboil-0.3.8.tar.gz 21-Mar-2006 18:22 815K

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 9/22/06, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that liboil-0.3.9 has a number of bug fixes. It appears to have been released a day after 0.3.8 was released: [ ] liboil-0.3.7.tar.gz 02-Feb-2006 23:06 804K [ ] liboil-0.3.8.tar.gz 21-Mar-2006 18:22 815K [ ]

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D.
oops... middle-aged eyesight... [blush..] On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 16:43 +0200, Kjartan Maraas wrote: fre, 22,.09.2006 kl. 10.34 -0400, skrev Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D.: I believe that liboil-0.3.9 has a number of bug fixes. It appears to have been released a day after 0.3.8 was released: [

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D.
Mattias, I believe that you are correct [for the moment]. I took a quick look through apps in GARNOME-2.16.x dependent up dbus. I found that dbus-0.70, required by gnome-power-manager-2.17.1, appears to be good enough for now. -Joseph

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 23:09 -0400, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote: GARNOME does not roll or maintain source tarballs for developers. But it's not so uncommon for GARNOME to patch its tarballs. Isn't that a possible solution to this awkwardness, even if it's just for GARNOME? I do not know of any

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 9/22/06, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mattias, I believe that you are correct [for the moment]. I took a quick look through apps in GARNOME-2.16.x dependent up dbus. I found that dbus-0.70, required by gnome-power-manager-2.17.1, appears to be good enough for now.

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread David Zeuthen
On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 09:38 -0400, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote: A GAR makefile to accomplish this is shown below. David, as well as others within the community, should be pleased. Awesome. Thanks for doing this! David ___ desktop-devel-list

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D.
David, You are welcome. The open source movement is all about we, not I. I will update GARNOME CVS-HEAD this weekend to give our users the opportunity to exercise HAL-0.5.8.1. Be well, -Joseph === On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 11:36 -0400,

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/22/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/22/06, Rob Bradford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 16:51 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: On 9/11/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topic came up earlier, and I think there was a general consensus

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-22 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/22/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/22/06, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mattias, I believe that you are correct [for the moment]. I took a quick look through apps in GARNOME-2.16.x dependent up dbus. I found that dbus-0.70, required by

external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-21 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/11/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topic came up earlier, and I think there was a general consensus that it is a good idea to freeze the versions of external dependencies, and use tarball modules for them in the gnome-2.18 moduleset in jhbuild. Due to the feedback

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-21 Thread Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D.
The hal/udev dependencies need to be resolved before moving on to hal-0.5.8.x -Joseph === On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 16:51 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: On 9/11/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topic came up earlier, and I

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-21 Thread David Zeuthen
On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 20:34 -0400, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote: The hal/udev dependencies need to be resolved before moving on to hal-0.5.8.x Joseph, I have several times asked you in private mails we've exchanged, why GARNOME cannot pull in the udev tarball for libvolume_id if you want to

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-21 Thread Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D.
David, GARNOME is a framework for building the GNOME desktop and an assortment of GNOME extras using existing source tarballs If a source tarball exists for libvolume_id, GARNOME will use it. If a source tarball for libvolume_id does not exist, GARNOME cannot update HAL past version 0.5.7.1.

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-21 Thread David Zeuthen
On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 21:21 -0400, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote: GARNOME is a framework for building the GNOME desktop and an assortment of GNOME extras using existing source tarballs If a source tarball exists for libvolume_id, GARNOME will use it. If a source tarball for libvolume_id does

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=David Zeuthen On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 21:21 -0400, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote: GARNOME is a framework for building the GNOME desktop and an assortment of GNOME extras using existing source tarballs If a source tarball exists for libvolume_id, GARNOME will use it. If a source

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-21 Thread Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D.
This should be simple to resolve. HAL, up through version 0.5.7.1. contained source for libvolume_id. David has decided to remove that source because recent versions of udev provide libvolume_id. The problem is most distros do not yet have a new enough version of udev that provides

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-21 Thread David Zeuthen
On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 21:41 -0400, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote: This should be simple to resolve. Indeed. HAL, up through version 0.5.7.1. contained source for libvolume_id. David has decided to remove that source because recent versions of udev provide libvolume_id. The problem is most

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-21 Thread David Zeuthen
On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 23:09 -0400, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote: GARNOME does not roll or maintain source tarballs for developers. I do not know of any stable Linux distro that currently offers a new enough version of udev that provides libvolume_id. At some point, hopefully in the near

Re: external dependencies; trolling for more feedback, pushing to make it official ; -)

2006-09-21 Thread Vincent Untz
Le jeudi 21 septembre 2006, à 16:51, Elijah Newren a écrit : On 9/11/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topic came up earlier, and I think there was a general consensus that it is a good idea to freeze the versions of external dependencies, and use tarball modules for them in