fallback mode vs llvmpipe rendering

2012-06-25 Thread Vincent Untz
Hi all, People are contacting me every now and then about gnome-panel. There are several people willing to work on it to improve it, but more with the goal of making a GNOME 2-like session than a fallback session. So far, I've been accepting all contributions, except the ones that make the panel

Re: fallback mode vs llvmpipe rendering

2012-06-25 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:05:43AM +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: But there's an interest for going in other directions, and I don't want to block those motivated people if we don't need gnome-panel anymore for our official GNOME releases, which means if we don't need the fallback mode anymore.

Re: fallback mode vs llvmpipe rendering

2012-06-25 Thread Vincent Untz
Le lundi 25 juin 2012, à 12:56 +0200, Olav Vitters a écrit : On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:05:43AM +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: But there's an interest for going in other directions, and I don't want to block those motivated people if we don't need gnome-panel anymore for our official GNOME

Re: fallback mode vs llvmpipe rendering

2012-06-25 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le Monday 25 June 2012 à 11:05 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : For the record, I've no strong opinion on this myself. I might lean towards going the llvmpipe way so that the people who want to hack freely on the fallback components may do so. More and more GNOME components are using clutter

Re: fallback mode vs llvmpipe rendering

2012-06-25 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 5:05 AM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote: Hi all, People are contacting me every now and then about gnome-panel. There are several people willing to work on it to improve it, but more with the goal of making a GNOME 2-like session than a fallback session. So far,

Re: fallback mode vs llvmpipe rendering

2012-06-25 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 09:05 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: But there's an interest for going in other directions, and I don't want to block those motivated people if we don't need gnome-panel anymore for our official GNOME releases, which means if we don't need the fallback mode anymore.

Re: fallback mode vs llvmpipe rendering

2012-06-25 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:05:10AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 09:05 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: One example is ppc - no llvm support on that architecture... Or s390 (anymore) or arm (effectively). Honestly I'm coming to resent How often is software rendering needed

Re: fallback mode vs llvmpipe rendering

2012-06-25 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 16:16 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:05:10AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 09:05 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: One example is ppc - no llvm support on that architecture... Or s390 (anymore) or arm (effectively). Honestly

Re: fallback mode vs llvmpipe rendering

2012-06-25 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:05:43AM +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: Hi all, People are contacting me every now and then about gnome-panel. There are several people willing to work on it to improve it, but more with the goal of making a GNOME 2-like session than a fallback session. So far, I've

Re: fallback mode vs llvmpipe rendering

2012-06-25 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 17:36 +0200, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: We have people working on llvmpipe/gallium/kms support for OpenBSD but it takes time since we are not a large-scale project. llvmpipe has no kernel dependencies (beyond SSE2 support I guess), and I don't intend to change that. I do

Re: fallback mode vs llvmpipe rendering

2012-06-25 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:08:11PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 17:36 +0200, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: We have people working on llvmpipe/gallium/kms support for OpenBSD but it takes time since we are not a large-scale project. llvmpipe has no kernel dependencies

Re: fallback mode vs llvmpipe rendering

2012-06-25 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 05:36:29PM +0200, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: I know I don't represent the majority nor the core target of GNOME but anyway... :) I for one would like to keep the fallback mode a little longer. I have hundreds of (corporate; these are the only one I can have real stats

Re: fallback mode vs llvmpipe rendering

2012-06-25 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:27:13PM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: For what reason do they use fallback mode? Not being able to run GNOME shell, or not liking GNOME shell? The immediate reason is that they need a coherent Desktop on all their different hardware. And we cannot guarantee hardware 3D