Re: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2023-08-22 Thread Jaikiran Pai
I agree with what Stefan notes in his mail. Some years back when I started contributing to Ivy, I realized that the documentation (formal or informal) related to the internal implementation details of Ivy is non-existent. Sometimes I had to select a file, go over its commit history then go

Re: [**EXTERNAL**] RE: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2023-08-22 Thread Vladimir Grabarchuk
I'd like to second the first two opinions regarding Ant and Ivy. I can't say that I'm very familiar with Maven, but from what I know, Ivy is way superior to it (in my opinion, of course). At the expense of being more complex, it is terser, customizable and, generally, more capable. I've used it

Re: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2023-08-22 Thread Jason Guild
Hi all: IMO, it would be a shame to lose Ivy as a much simpler alternative to Maven. It works well and I think there is very much still room for a dependency management tool that focuses on just that and not all the other things that Maven does. I am thankful for your work on it, Stefan. I

RE: [**EXTERNAL**] RE: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2023-08-22 Thread D'Anjou, Martin
Hi, I'd like to say that we're seriously considering migrating our dependency management from Gradle to Ivy because of the lack of branch support in Gradle's dependency management, and because we can't find a way to modify Gradle's dependency management without also changing its core. We can

RE: Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2023-08-22 Thread s.andre
Hi, I can't really discuss how many developers use Ivy and how it is difficult to maintain this project if there is not enough maintainers... But I can give hints about our usage in our companies: * We love "ant", it's for us a clear language syntax that can achieve our build processes like we

Future of Ivy and IvyDE

2023-08-22 Thread Stefan Bodewig
Hi all before I get to the actual content of this mail: * I'm cross-posting to three lists but I ask you to keep responses to dev@ant only (and join the list if necessary) if you want to respond. * what I write is my personal opinion and not shared by the PMC as a whole. The people on the

JDK 21 Release Candidates & JVM Language Summit

2023-08-22 Thread David Delabassee
Greetings! JDK 21 is now in the Release Candidate Phase so everything is on track for the Java 21 GA release on September 19th! If you haven't done so, please start testing your project(s) using JDK 22 Early-Access builds and let us know the results. In other news, the JVM Language Summit