Re: Where do you want to go?

2004-01-05 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 06 January 2004 14:37, Giacomo Pati wrote: > Stephen McConnell wrote: > > As far as commit messages are concerned, please take into consideration > > (a) commits on implementation improvements, (b) commits related to > > sub-system relocation (i.e. system moving out of merlin and into av

Re: Where do you want to go?

2004-01-05 Thread Giacomo Pati
Stephen McConnell wrote: Giacomo Pati wrote: Concerning Merlin I once had the impression that some of the feature it offers are cool (i.e. default configurations aka profiles IIRC) but others aren't that much (i.e. security). ATM I'm not in need for a standalone container as most of my server

Re: Where do you want to go?

2004-01-05 Thread Stephen McConnell
Giacomo Pati wrote: Concerning Merlin I once had the impression that some of the feature it offers are cool (i.e. default configurations aka profiles IIRC) but others aren't that much (i.e. security). ATM I'm not in need for a standalone container as most of my server apps are running with Phoe

Re: How do we get there? (was: Re:Where Where do you want to go?)

2004-01-05 Thread Stephen McConnell
Stephen McConnell wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 06 January 2004 05:48, Leo Simons wrote: I don't even come close to having the time or the energy to do a significant part of that. Of course, you are the manager, and they never have time for anything :o) Images of Leo in a suite ..

Re: Where do you want to go?

2004-01-05 Thread Alex Karasulu
Hi, > I have a feeling that Avalon, and specifically Merlin is focusing too much on > the enterprise. I know that the enterprise features are necessary for some Berin could you list the feature you consider 'Enterprise' features. I just want to get an understanding of what you think is complic

Re: How do we get there? (was: Re:Where Where do you want to go?)

2004-01-05 Thread Stephen McConnell
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 06 January 2004 05:48, Leo Simons wrote: I don't even come close to having the time or the energy to do a significant part of that. Of course, you are the manager, and they never have time for anything :o) Images of Leo in a suite -- |---

Re: How do we get there? (was: Re:Where Where do you want to go?)

2004-01-05 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 06 January 2004 05:48, Leo Simons wrote: > * lines-of-code-to-lines-of-api-documentation (must go up) I think you mean the other way (go down)... Niclas - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional comm

Re: How do we get there? (was: Re:Where Where do you want to go?)

2004-01-05 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 06 January 2004 05:48, Leo Simons wrote: > > 2) how should we start refactoring Merlin to make it what we > > all need? > > * please note that development should be able to continue > > while refactoring occurs. > > = Step 0 = > > is a feature freeze. Not code freeze, feature freez

Re: Where do you want to go?

2004-01-05 Thread Stephen McConnell
Berin Loritsch wrote: I posted a "feeler" question to the PMC group today just to get some initial feedback. Considering the support from all parties, and the concerns that I personally have, I would now like to get a bigger picture of the whole Avalon developers group. I have a feeling that

Re: How do we get there? (was: Re:Where Where do you want to go?)

2004-01-05 Thread Leo Simons
Leo Simons wrote: I don't even come close to having the time or the energy to do a significant part of that. I know Steve has it but it doesn't sound like he wants to commit when the system decomposition is clean and along the likely lines of customization and change, extensibility will come na

Re: [merlin] problems plugging in type 3 lifestyle

2004-01-05 Thread Leo Simons
Stephen McConnell wrote: Leo Simons wrote: Hi gang, since Steve and Niclas been saying how much merlin has evolved, I am giving it one last chance. Give up while your ahead. :-) You sure have mastered those one-liners :P seriously...here's a few more: "If this was a competition, I would have

Re: [merlin] problems plugging in type 3 lifestyle

2004-01-05 Thread Stephen McConnell
Leo Simons wrote: Hi gang, since Steve and Niclas been saying how much merlin has evolved, I am giving it one last chance. Give up while your ahead. :-) Cheers, Stephen. -- || | Magic by Merlin| | Production by

RE: How do we get there? (was: Re:Where Where do you want to go?)

2004-01-05 Thread Farr, Aaron
> -Original Message- > From: Leo Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > = releases = > > Remember my comment about being fit for a 1.0 release? Well, we did the > "fortress will be released real soon now" for too long; we shouldn't be > doing it with merlin. Regular, incremental releases,

friendly reminder: author tags

2004-01-05 Thread Leo Simons
Hi gang, here at avalon, we don't add author tags to sourcefiles, except for: @author mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">Avalon Development Team discussion and rationale for that are in the mailing list archives. In summary, we want to discourage an ownership feeling for code (more from others t

How do we get there? (was: Re:Where Where do you want to go?)

2004-01-05 Thread Leo Simons
> 2) how should we start refactoring Merlin to make it what we > all need? > * please note that development should be able to continue > while refactoring occurs. = Step 0 = is a feature freeze. Not code freeze, feature freeze. Development can continue, but no new features. None. = Step 1 = T

Re: Where do you want to go?

2004-01-05 Thread Leo Simons
Berin Loritsch wrote: I have a feeling that Avalon, and specifically Merlin is focusing too much on the enterprise. +1. I'm going to enter rant mode now. Not meaning to offend anyone though. I know that the enterprise features are necessary for some folks, but others simply do not need it. It nev

Re: [merlin] problems plugging in type 3 lifestyle

2004-01-05 Thread Leo Simons
Farr, Aaron wrote: I've also been looking at this and my solution is a little more radical. Basically, one of the issues with Merlin is that Merlin strictly controls what you can get from the ServiceManager while Fortress and Phoenix are much more liberal. This stems from what Stephen has appropri

RE: [merlin] problems plugging in type 3 lifestyle

2004-01-05 Thread Farr, Aaron
> -Original Message- > From: Leo Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 3:30 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [merlin] problems plugging in type 3 lifestyle > > Hi gang, > > since Steve and Niclas been saying how much merlin has evolved, I am > giving it

[merlin] problems plugging in type 3 lifestyle

2004-01-05 Thread Leo Simons
Hi gang, since Steve and Niclas been saying how much merlin has evolved, I am giving it one last chance. Not as a user, but as a co-developer. I figured I'd have a look at implementing IoC type 3 support (again). Looking for a short execution path I could digest, I started reading in AbstractM

Re: Where do you want to go?

2004-01-05 Thread Giacomo Pati
Berin Loritsch wrote: I have a feeling that Avalon, and specifically Merlin is focusing too much on the enterprise. I know that the enterprise features are necessary for some folks, but others simply do not need it. It never really had simplicity, and to be honest I can't tell what it does a

Where do you want to go?

2004-01-05 Thread Berin Loritsch
I posted a "feeler" question to the PMC group today just to get some initial feedback. Considering the support from all parties, and the concerns that I personally have, I would now like to get a bigger picture of the whole Avalon developers group. I have a feeling that Avalon, and specifically Me

cvs commit: avalon-sandbox/security/src/tests Component.java ComponentImpl.java InnerContainer.java InnerContainerImpl.java Main.java OuterContainer.java OuterContainerImpl.java

2004-01-05 Thread niclas
niclas 2004/01/05 07:51:38 Modified:security build.xml run.sh security.policy security/src/tests Component.java ComponentImpl.java InnerContainer.java InnerContainerImpl.java Main.java OuterContainer.java

cvs commit: avalon-sandbox/security/src/tests Component.java ComponentImpl.java InnerContainer.java InnerContainerImpl.java Main.java OuterContainer.java OuterContainerImpl.java

2004-01-05 Thread niclas
niclas 2004/01/05 07:42:31 Added: security build.properties build.xml run.sh security.policy security/src/tests Component.java ComponentImpl.java InnerContainer.java InnerContainerImpl.java Main.java OuterContainer.java

cvs commit: avalon-sandbox/security/src/tests - New directory

2004-01-05 Thread niclas
niclas 2004/01/05 07:39:57 avalon-sandbox/security/src/tests - New directory - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

cvs commit: avalon-sandbox/security/src - New directory

2004-01-05 Thread niclas
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cvs commit: avalon-sandbox/security - New directory

2004-01-05 Thread niclas
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Re: MerlinDeveloper progress

2004-01-05 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Monday 05 January 2004 19:57, you wrote: > Maybe you could give just a initial "wish-list", so that some of the > eggs are out of your brain :-) Let's start with a "small" list (and no guarantee that the eggs are not rotten). More eggs follows later. Repository Browser

Re: Codebase level security

2004-01-05 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Monday 05 January 2004 19:36, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > Also, I would like to have the @permission-requirement as close to the code > as possible, method level, and that the "meta generator" can aggregate it. This aggregation is for ALL classes in the implementation. There would also need to be

Re: Codebase level security

2004-01-05 Thread Niclas Hedhman
Fist of all, thanks for the useful feedback On Monday 05 January 2004 17:32, Stephen McConnell wrote: > Niclas Hedhman wrote: > I like the approach although think we need to separate the declaration > of permission requirement from the granting of permissions. > > >demo >

cvs commit: avalon-site/xdocs/community/process pmc.xml

2004-01-05 Thread niclas
niclas 2004/01/05 02:51:11 Modified:xdocs/community/process pmc.xml Log: Removed Carsten and added myself. Revision ChangesPath 1.2 +1 -1 avalon-site/xdocs/community/process/pmc.xml Index: pmc.xml

http://avalon.apache.org/community/process/pmc.html

2004-01-05 Thread Leo Simons
"new" PMC members, could someone update this page to reflect recent changes? Please remove Carsten from the list while you're at it. -- cheers, - Leo Simons --- Weblog -- http://leosimons.com/ IoC Component Glue --

Re: Codebase level security

2004-01-05 Thread Stephen McConnell
Niclas Hedhman wrote: Gang, Since deployment went fairly well, I now want to look into codebase level Security (scheduled for 3.4). NOTE!!! Please don't confuse this with Subject level Security and JAAS leveraging. That is the next step. This must be sorted out first. I have in mind that for