Re: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-16 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thursday 13 November 2003 22:31, Gonzalo Diethelm wrote: > This is amazing. For YEARS now I have used almost the exact same karma: > > "Make it RUN. Make it RIGHT. Make it FAST. Make it SMALL" Small?? Why bother? You are in one of two positions when you start out; 1. Plenty of RAM, typically

RE: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-13 Thread Gonzalo Diethelm
> > Cool so are we all working on this in the sandbox > repository project? > > "Make it RUN. Make it RIGHT. Make it FAST." > > That is my contribution to software design principles. > Once you have something that runs, it is easier to start > working on getting it > right, so My plan was to

RE: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-10 Thread andreas oberhack
Sorry fort he trouble. It's an old plugin.xml I'll update and inform you. Andreas > -Original Message- > From: Niclas Hedhman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Montag, 10. November 2003 14:32 > To: Avalon Developers List > Subject: Re: Eclipse Plug-in > >

Re: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-10 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Monday 10 November 2003 21:18, Stephen McConnell wrote: > andreas oberhack wrote: > >http://www.merlin.softwarefabrik.biz/download/index.htm > Did all of the above - restarted exclipse - hit the New Project menu, > there is was "MerlinBlock Project". > Double clicked - and ... > > "The selecte

Re: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-10 Thread Stephen McConnell
andreas oberhack wrote: http://www.merlin.softwarefabrik.biz/download/index.htm you can download it from here and unzip it to the existing plugin directory under eclipse home directory. Restart eclipse. It should also run with Eclispe 3.0. I'm just testing it. Did all of the above - restarted e

RE: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-10 Thread andreas oberhack
http://www.merlin.softwarefabrik.biz/download/index.htm you can download it from here and unzip it to the existing plugin directory under eclipse home directory. Restart eclipse. It should also run with Eclispe 3.0. I'm just testing it. Some initial "getting started" informations: http://www.mer

RE: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-10 Thread andreas oberhack
> There are at least the following distinct subjects that I see: > > * A special container established as peer to the current root container > that is provided with the SPI classloader and contains components > intended for use as a part of the container system - these components > would not be av

Re: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-10 Thread Stephen McConnell
andreas oberhack wrote: If its an external project - yes it is in conflict. The easiest way around that is to bring this into the other eclipse related iniatives - but that's only part of the story - the Hibernate persistence manager is much more a container extension and is (if I understand

RE: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-10 Thread andreas oberhack
> If its an external project - yes it is in conflict. The easiest way > around > that is to bring this into the other eclipse related iniatives - but > that's > only part of the story - the Hibernate persistence manager is much more a > container extension and is (if I understand correctly) indepe

RE: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-10 Thread andreas oberhack
> > It does. But I suggest that we integrate it into an officially supported > Eclipse plugin here at Avalon-land... ;o) > No problem - hope to get some help than :-) Andreas > Niclas > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PR

Re: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-09 Thread Stephen McConnell
andreas oberhack wrote: I expect to do a "half cooked" effort and count on more hands want to help out. What I am doing right now, I expect to be <5% of all the features I can imagine. Andreas Uberhack also has some Eclipse code, but at a different end, I think it was run

Re: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-09 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Monday 10 November 2003 00:19, andreas oberhack wrote: > But just a question: I wanted to call the plugin "MerlinDeveloper". Does > that conflict with some apache licence statements? It does. But I suggest that we integrate it into an officially supported Eclipse plugin here at Avalon-land...

RE: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-09 Thread andreas oberhack
> > I expect to do a "half cooked" effort and count on more hands want to help > out. What I am doing right now, I expect to be <5% of all the features I > can > imagine. Andreas Uberhack also has some Eclipse code, but at a different > end, > I think it was running and debugging Merlin apps from

Re: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-09 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Sunday 09 November 2003 17:32, Alex Karasulu wrote: > We need to implement this stuff a few times. Make some mistakes > and then go back to the drawing board. But you need to get the > plugin out to give a major impact. You are self contained and > are not publishing out an API that needs to

RE: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-09 Thread Alex Karasulu
n the de facto standard container by building out this plugin. I should leave you alone so you can succeed ;-). Alex > -Original Message- > From: Niclas Hedhman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 1:37 AM > To: Avalon Developers List > Subject:

Re: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-08 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Sunday 09 November 2003 14:17, Alex Karasulu wrote: > Another approach could be to use an existing and generic access > interface like JNDI. In fact, now looking at JNDI beyond my very basic knowledge; Why shouldn't the Eclipse Repository Browser Plug-In just use JNDI straight off the shelf??

RE: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-08 Thread Alex Karasulu
> > > > OK, this is a VERY good point. But any Query language or system > > > > typically requires a lot of thought to be powerful, yet reasonably > easy > > > > to implement. Let us discuss that later/separately. > > > > (& (objectClass=block) (service=o.a.a.DataStore) (version>1.0) > > > (| (con

Re: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-08 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Sunday 09 November 2003 12:17, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > > > OK, this is a VERY good point. But any Query language or system > > > typically requires a lot of thought to be powerful, yet reasonably easy > > > to implement. Let us discuss that later/separately. > > (& (objectClass=block) (service=

Re: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-08 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Sunday 09 November 2003 11:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Maybe later. As I said, I looked at it, didn't understand it well, and > > had problem to see how to use it. > > Np don't slow down if you're gonna give me a plugin ;). Slow down?? I need to speed up. I really want to have something ru

Re: Re: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-08 Thread aok123
> Maybe later. As I said, I looked at it, didn't understand it well, and had > problem to see how to use it. Np don't slow down if you're gonna give me a plugin ;). > One thing; I don't like specs that has classes (other than Exceptions and > EventObjects). Right interfaces are key - I don't t

Re: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-08 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Sunday 09 November 2003 08:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Could you be more specific pointing to the classes/interfaces. Maybe later. As I said, I looked at it, didn't understand it well, and had problem to see how to use it. One thing; I don't like specs that has classes (other than Exceptio

Re: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-08 Thread Stephen McConnell
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 09:32, Stephen McConnell wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: As I said, I'll jump into the shower, get a coffee and then answer all your question and send you my source files Me too please! Begging like a small puppy, are we??? ROTFL

Re: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-08 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Sunday 09 November 2003 09:32, Stephen McConnell wrote: > Niclas Hedhman wrote: > >As I said, I'll jump into the shower, get a coffee and then answer all > > your question and send you my source files > > Me too please! Begging like a small puppy, are we??? ROTFL ;o) Niclas

Re: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-08 Thread Stephen McConnell
Niclas Hedhman wrote: Thanks for the feedback. I will comment in details after my morning shower, but would like to shoot off a first impression. I think, you and I attack the problem from different starting points, namely; 1. I start from the client use-case, and only worry about the API. 2.

Re: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-08 Thread Niclas Hedhman
Thanks for the feedback. I will comment in details after my morning shower, but would like to shoot off a first impression. I think, you and I attack the problem from different starting points, namely; 1. I start from the client use-case, and only worry about the API. 2. You start from the serve

Re: Re: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-08 Thread aok123
> I had a look at the repository stuff in the sandbox, and perhaps I am not > capable of appreciating the effort to the full... :o( > My impression is that it is not very well abstracted and boiled down the the Could you be more specific pointing to the classes/interfaces. I know it has a long

Re: Re: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-08 Thread aok123
Ok give me a little while to read my email and this one a couple times more. I'll get back to you soon. > > From: Niclas Hedhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/11/08 Sat AM 07:21:03 EST > To: "Avalon Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subjec

Re: Re: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-08 Thread aok123
Yes I do agree. You learn at every step that is a healthy outlook. Refactoring as you is the norm many don't realize that. > > From: Niclas Hedhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/11/08 Sat AM 02:43:33 EST > To: "Avalon Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-08 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Saturday 08 November 2003 08:45, Alex Karasulu wrote: > What methods do you foresee needing? Perhaps I can add them into this > interface and u can use an implementation of it. The first implementation > will use properties file on the repo server to get meta data on artifacts. Since I don't

Re: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-08 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Saturday 08 November 2003 09:51, Alex Karasulu wrote: > Cool so are we all working on this in the sandbox repository project? "Make it RUN. Make it RIGHT. Make it FAST." That is my contribution to software design principles. Once you have something that runs, it is easier to start working on g

Re: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-07 Thread Stephen McConnell
Alex Karasulu wrote: Cool so are we all working on this in the sandbox repository project? BTW is there a difference between the concepts of a component registry and a component catalog? What do you guys think? I think so. To me the catalog lists the available software components and the regi

RE: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-07 Thread Alex Karasulu
Cool so are we all working on this in the sandbox repository project? BTW is there a difference between the concepts of a component registry and a component catalog? What do you guys think? I think so. To me the catalog lists the available software components and the registry is where a set of

RE: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-07 Thread Alex Karasulu
Nick, Have you looked at the ArtifactDatabase interface it sounds like we're after a similar beast. Something to query for the catalog of components. > initial attempt. I turned to a RepositoryView. > ATM, my definition of a repository in this context is; > > A location where a RepositoryAgent

Re: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-07 Thread Stephen McConnell
Niclas Hedhman wrote: [On-list], as you (Stephen) recommended... Hi, Since I didn't hear from you (Stephen), probably sleeping, I went a bit ahead on changing the package names after my own head. The ServiceInfo, ComponentInfo, Compliance and Version interfaces has been moved to o.a.a.repos

Re: Eclipse Plug-in

2003-11-07 Thread Niclas Hedhman
Gang, SInce I was a bit of coward and wished to have some private feedbackback first, before exposing my thinking to the world. Here we go, I am very much "use-case driven" in much approach to programming, always been. I also always assumed everything can be done easily, if you just take real