Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-25 Thread Guillaume Nodet
I think one of the most interesting part of hawtio is that the same console can be used in OSGi or in a non-OSGi environment and that's is pluggable with dynamic discovery. That's really what we needed for years, back to the ServiceMix 4 early stage. Having a single console that can adapt multiple

Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-25 Thread Charles Moulliard
- Will check more in depth next week hawt.io and have a look to your remarks. - For sure, hawt.io should be the house about camel webconsole and I would appreciate that everybody fully agree about that idea instead of continuying to re-invent new webconsole every next major realease of Camel. - Per

Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-25 Thread James Strachan
On 25 January 2013 08:07, Charles Moulliard wrote: > +1 for the project plan and if you are interested I can play the role of > Project Manager to coordinate all the different tasks, actions, define a > plan and > following > manage it > > Concerning the webconsole, http://hawt.io project should b

Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-25 Thread Charles Moulliard
+1 for the project plan and if you are interested I can play the role of Project Manager to coordinate all the different tasks, actions, define a plan and following manage it Concerning the webconsole, http://hawt.io project should be the way to go (or at least jolokia - http://jolokia.org/ ) even

Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-24 Thread Guillaume Nodet
For the webconsole, I'd make sure to have a look at http://hawt.io/ On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Christian Müller < christian.muel...@gmail.com> wrote: > Lukasz, could you have a look at [1]!? > We are looking for a champion for the task "Light-weight web console" (if > it has enough endors

Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-24 Thread Hadrian Zbarcea
Anybody. We need to hear the ideas of even non-committers actually. However if there are enough endorsements I'd think there is no need to add another one. What is more important is to see if anybody has anything against an idea and what kind of arguments he'd bring to the table. Hadrian On

Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-24 Thread Henryk Konsek
> (if > it has enough endorsements). Talking about endorsements... Can all committers endorse or is this privilege reserved for the PMC masonic lodge? :) -- Henryk Konsek http://henryk-konsek.blogspot.com

Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-23 Thread Claus Ibsen
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Christian Müller wrote: > Hi Willem, > > that's the reason why I wrote "IRC/Skype session for discussion" and not > "IRC/Skype session to make discussions"... ;-) > The proposed procedure is to use IRC to be able to discuss multiple topics > in short time. Afterwa

Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-23 Thread Christian Müller
Lukasz, could you have a look at [1]!? We are looking for a champion for the task "Light-weight web console" (if it has enough endorsements). If I remember right, you are playing with something what could be this light-weight web console. ;-) Do you consider to take a stab on this? [1] http://came

Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-23 Thread Christian Müller
Christian, could you have a look at [1]!? We are looking for a champion for the task "Split camel-core into multiple parts". We already talked about it in the past and if I remember correct, you are willing to take a stab on this. Right? Still the same? [1] http://camel.apache.org/camel-30-ideas.h

Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-23 Thread Babak Vahdat
Hi As much as the time permits I will try to follow this move and maybe give my ideas & feedback to the cool new enhancements/features you are thinking about. However my involvement in this area will not be as active as many others. Looking forward to Camel 3.0 Babak -- View this message in

Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-22 Thread Christian Müller
Hi Willem, that's the reason why I wrote "IRC/Skype session for discussion" and not "IRC/Skype session to make discussions"... ;-) The proposed procedure is to use IRC to be able to discuss multiple topics in short time. Afterwards the IRC log and may be a summery should be shared with the communi

Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-21 Thread Willem jiang
I'm OK for the discussion in the IRC and post the discussion back to dev list so every one have a chance to express his opinion. And we made decision in the mailing list. -- Willem Jiang Red Hat, Inc. FuseSource is now part of Red Hat Web: http://www.fusesource.com | http://www.redhat.com Bl

Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-21 Thread Hadrian Zbarcea
Willem, yeah it's tough with your time zone, but you can find many of us on irc at various time. And btw, your statement that it's "not an Apache Way" is not quite accurate. The channel is logged and the relevant content of the discuss (and/or link) will be posted on dev@ anyway. The Apache Way

Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-21 Thread Hadrian Zbarcea
Looks like we're starting to get more feedback. Awesome. More inline... Also moved back from users@ to dev@. I really don't think this should be on dev. If we want to make users aware of this discussions, I'd do that via announcements on the site and maybe occasional posts to users@, but I thin

Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-21 Thread Willem jiang
Hi Christian Just one comments for the meeting in IRC. It is not an Apache Way to make decision through the IRC. As you know the time you chose is the middle night (3 AM) in my timezone. Maybe we can drop a discussion lines in the wiki page, so every one who wants to join the discussion can ha

Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-20 Thread Henryk Konsek
> +1 for having discussion on mailing list. Oh, and the idea with separated wiki pages - just great :) . -- Henryk Konsek http://henryk-konsek.blogspot.com

Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-20 Thread Henryk Konsek
> Discussions *should* happen on the @dev mailing list, so everybody can > be in the loop and participate. > Its the Apache way. +1 for having discussion on mailing list. Not only due to the fact that I want to be in the loop, but also because the discussion should be "googlable" for users intere

Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-19 Thread Claus Ibsen
Hi Oh been too busy with work, than having the time to read this thread and respond. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Christian Müller wrote: > I find it very difficult to start a such huge and important challenge as > Camel 3.0 will be, for sure. I think the most difficult part is to get > c

Fwd: Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-17 Thread Hadrian Zbarcea
Hmm, why did this go to users? Because Christian sent it to 3 lists. Both me and Willem only replied to users@ :). Oops. Let's just use dev@ going forward. Hadrian Original Message Subject: Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:47:11 -0500

[CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-16 Thread Christian Müller
I find it very difficult to start a such huge and important challenge as Camel 3.0 will be, for sure. I think the most difficult part is to get consensus about what we do it and how we do it. We already collect some useful ideas at [1], but I have the feeling we have to review these ideas. First of